From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 12:32:35 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:32:35 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Open File Formats - MS latest move
Message-ID: <609b18560804011232j1365818aj895322b40f89d7a9@mail.gmail.com>

Microsoft moves toward open data file formats - just kidding, read details
below for a great summary.

http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/03/contra-durusau-part-1.html

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 22:07:42 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:07:42 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Nokia vs Blackberry
Message-ID: <609b18560804022207r2f5d045ale25df712b0679730@mail.gmail.com>

I think that Novell mobility server is an OEM product from Nokia.
It isn't easy, from web-data sheets, to figure out exactly what these
servers are, so you might well want to find someone with direct experience,
or at least browse through one of the forums or list servers.


http://usa.nokia.com/A4179065

Key Features

   - Broad range of supported mobile devices and technologies: Symbian,
   Windows Mobile, Palm, BlackBerry, Java?, OMA DM, OMA SyncML (400+)
   - Broad range of groupware and back-end support: Microsoft Exchange,
   IBM Lotus Domino, Groupwise, IMAP, or POP3
   - Virtually global, seamless roaming across multiple operator wireless
   or wireline networks
   - Back-end access to the product suite through a single installation
   - Support and services offerings for maximum business value

web cast archives
http://usa.nokia.com/A4273003

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 00:05:51 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 00:05:51 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fwd: [plone_seattle] Discover Magazine
Message-ID: <609b18560804030005v3f77e337g5811441b0f908b45@mail.gmail.com>

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From: Andrew Burkhalter <andrewb at onenw.org>
Date: Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Subject: [plone_seattle] Discover Magazine: Case Study Reminder
To: plone_seattle at lists.onenw.org


This is just a last minute reminder to confirm that we are on for tomorrow's
informal discussion of the Discover Magazine website with Joel Burton.
 Also, wanted to re-emphasize that we'll not be meeting at our usual
time/location, but at the following time/location:

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Logistics
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Seattle Plone Gathering
Thursday, April 3rd, 2008, 5:00 P.M. to 7:00ish P.M.

ONE/Northwest (Main Office)
1402 Third Avenue, Suite 1000
Seattle WA 98101

Directions at:
 *http://onenw.org/about/contact-us* <http://onenw.org/about/contact-us>

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Full details about the event repeated below.

Hope many of you can join us!


We have an offer from Joel Burton, who will be in Seattle, for a
semi-off-the-cuff discussion about how the discovermagazine.com site was
built. This is a magazine site with high traffic and high availability. Joel
will talk about the architecture, caching, authentication structure, server
setup, and other considerations that went into making the site.

The goal is to share knowledge and spark discussion about how to meet the
requirements of traditional publishing sites and time allowing folks from
ONE/Northwest and/or Web Collective may also talk about the architecture of
the recently launched Sightline Daily, which is another publishing-centric
Plone-based site.

This meeting will be hosted at ONE/Northwest downtown, NOT at our regular
meeting location at NPower Seattle.  This announcement comes hot on the
heels of our moved Seattle Plone meeting for April comparing/contrasting
Plone/Django.

So to recap...

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Discover Magazine Discussion
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

* Informal discussion with Joel Burton about the architecture of Discover
Magazine

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Logistics
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Seattle Plone Gathering
Thursday, April 3rd, 2008, 5:00 P.M. to 7:00ish P.M.

ONE/Northwest (Main Office)
1402 Third Avenue, Suite 1000
Seattle WA 98101

Directions at:
 *http://onenw.org/about/contact-us* <http://onenw.org/about/contact-us>


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Plone and Django: Comparing Tools for Python Web Developers
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

* Justin James and Brian Gershon of Web Collective will be talking about
their recent experiences with Django, an exciting python-based web
framework, and will show examples from both Django and Plone to give a sense
of the strengths of each platform and when one might use one or the other.
There are also some shared concepts between these two platforms.  The
presentation will be a high-level discussion, plus will also delve into some
code -- so should be good for a technical and non-technical audience.

This is also an invitation to those that know Django really well to
participate in the conversation (since we're new to Django), and also Django
users that want to learn more about Plone.

----------------
Logistics
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Seattle Plone Gathering
Thursday, April 17th, 2008, 6:00 P.M. to 7:45ish P.M.

NPower Seattle
403 - 23rd Avenue South
Seattle WA

Directions at:
 *http://npowerseattle.org/about/contact/directions.htm*





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From brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com  Thu Apr  3 16:21:28 2008
From: brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:21:28 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] OES2 - see what you get
Message-ID: <1207264888.1ae7043cbrandon.fouts@myrealbox.com>


http://www.novell.com/products/openenterpriseserver/server2_webcast.html
Brandon Fouts
Past President and
current board member  
www.NPPS.org
www.PSNUG.org


From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 11:17:43 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:17:43 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] help needed openSUSE at LFNW
Message-ID: <609b18560804041117t3607fb85v11682362d2286973@mail.gmail.com>

OpenSUSE Weekly News/16 is out and features a call for booth
volunteers for openSUSE.  Before the flames start, please note that
this is _separate_ from Novell's company presence.

http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/16

http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/03/28/calling-booth-volunteers-lugradio-live-linuxfest-northwest/

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 12:21:34 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:21:34 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Linux - what is the big deal? is it a big deal?
Message-ID: <609b18560804041221k774edc31y740e9b08281ded00@mail.gmail.com>

To better understand why even Microsoft is getting into open source.
 - Why/how is open source such a powerful development model?
 - Insight into why 85% of top 500 supercomputers run Linux.

https://www.linux-foundation.org/publications/linuxkerneldevelopment.php


And some trade magazine reviews/overview of above article - all are VERY
similar, and maybe the 1st one is best?

http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2008/04/01/the-linux-lowdown-from-the-source/
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3737761/Who+Writes+Linux+There+Are+a+Lot+of+Unknowns.htm
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9907485-16.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Linux-kernel-community-grows-but-elite-group-remains_1.html


And one example of how a non-electronic/computer companies contribute - how
VW contributed coded - very insightful to the process of open source.

http://lwn.net/Articles/253425/


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 23:56:05 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:56:05 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fwd: Registration Is Now Open!
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-8049255-51044-2008.04.03-15.57.02--brando.fouts#gmail.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 11:46:43 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:46:43 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fwd: Learn how ZENworks and Vista go
	hand-in-hand
Message-ID: <609b18560804101146o14f8cb4fn85d904d7510cc1ec@mail.gmail.com>

Which ZENworks version should you use/upgrade to?

(i.e. Vista requires a newest version, XP best to stay on older version)


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 14:39:43 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:39:43 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] brother printers/scanners and Linux
Message-ID: <609b18560804141439w4266c12dj1e029a5c73fd7860@mail.gmail.com>

FYI -

(reminder, that drivers are at worst, kernel version specific - i.e. kernel
version 2.6... drivers work with all distros that use that version of the
kernel - aren't open standards great?)

____________________________________
From: Vince Callaway <vince at totalsense.com>

Subject: [Taclug-General] Brother printers

To: TACLUG General Discussion List <taclug-general at taclug.org>

Thought I would change the subject and post about something that does
work :)

I finally took the plunge and decided to start scanning shipping
documents.  I had put it off for a long time because it is time
consuming and scanners with document feeders tend to be expensive.

I have a brother all-in-one inkjet that I use at home.  I really like it
for a number of reasons.  One of which is it cleans the heads often and
I don't have a problem with ink drying up in it.

Anyway, I decided to give it a shot for scanning.  Brother provides a
driver for both usb connected and network connected.  It took about 5
minutes to set it up on my Ubuntu based laptop.

I was very pleasantly surprised at how easy it worked.  Using the
scanadf tool I could scan a multi-page bill of lading and convert to a
pdf in seconds.

A trip to office depot and I picked up a MFC-465CN.  $145 and a $50
mail-in rebate.  That puts the price cheaper than most single sheet
flatbeds.  Plus it has a nice network jack if I decide to use it as a
printer in the office.

It is nice to have a company that provides linux support for their
products.


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 15:24:04 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:24:04 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fwd: News from Osterman Research
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 19:24:31 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:24:31 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Linux driver status
Message-ID: <609b18560804151924y48ec65b8n1bab870da8abdc9@mail.gmail.com>

Greg Khoah-Hartman   (talked with him at free exhibits OSCON 06 - he works
at SUSE Labs Portland) wrote:

<snip>

Back in 2006 I gave a talk at the Ottawa Linux Symposium about a number of
myths that are around the Linux kernel. One of them was device and driver
support. I stated then, and still do that:

Linux supports more different types of devices than any other operating
system ever has in the history of computing.

Later on, a representative from Microsoft validated this statement saying
that their research agreed with it, so this is not an unproven statement.

</snip>

FULL REPORT as of April 2008:
http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/linux_driver_project_status-2008-04.html?seemore=y


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:00:10 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] LFNW - speaker schedule
Message-ID: <609b18560804162300i253038ccw4cf8f8e60bc5b244@mail.gmail.com>

First draft of speaker schedule:


http://blug.org/fest2008/schedule.dxp

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 00:15:45 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:15:45 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Linuxfest exhibitors via Bcc
In-Reply-To: <48068385.8040503@blug.org>
References: <48068385.8040503@blug.org>
Message-ID: <609b18560804170015y4415e80ek824368025cce7f6c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Mark Ashworth <mark at blug.org> wrote:

To PSNUG (from: Linuxfest Northwest);
>
> I've been asked by one of our planners to pass on this message today: we
> need help getting the word out.
>
>   PSNUG can provide valuable assistance by saying you will be at Linuxfest
> Northwest in your blogs, ads and new stories where you are permitted to
> mention it. Please include a link to the website.
>
> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org
>
> The speaker schedule and exhibitor list will be made public tomorrow,
> April 17th. We are on Pacific time and our webmaster doesn't get up early so
> please be patient. Cached copies of our home page may need refreshing.
>
> We are working on the exhibit floor map and will send another email when
> it's ready. Setup time begins at 4:30 PM Friday April 25th. You can get into
> the space again on Saturday April 26th at 7:00 AM.
>
> Thanks for supporting the fest. It's put on by volunteers and has free
> admission. Your contributions help keep it that way. See you soon.
>
> --Mark Ashworth
>
>
>
>
> PS-  Got any Open Source or Linux books you are willing to give away?
(most all scripting languages are open source - Perl, Phython, Ruby, Java,
Mono, etc...)

Bring them with you to LFNW or get them to Ed&Renee
(I suspect you can leave at door of Ed&Renee's place - might put attn: Randy
for LFNW)
If neither of them can make LFNW, then perhaps Steve or I can go to Bellevue
to pickup - or someone on this list might be able to transport -- well, we
shall work out something.




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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:01:46 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Lenovo/IBM laptops with SLED 10.1
Message-ID: <609b18560804172001n4ab7cd5fmd78963420d534b59@mail.gmail.com>

start at $650:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Landing_pages/Info/08/Linux

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:16:41 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] desktop/laptop windows alternatives
Message-ID: <609b18560804172016n2b6983d7vf2609b620e72d4b2@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:18:44 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] SUSE minimal servers - getting easier
Message-ID: <609b18560804172018k2be15324md003bb1062761160@mail.gmail.com>

Novell releases SUSE Linux OS geared for appliances and virtual machines

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/041608-novell-suse-linux.html?fsrc=rss-linux

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:04:20 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] 500 billion dollar organization view on Open
	Source
Message-ID: <609b18560804172104j5abdc05bhbeba4d2f4a9fba79@mail.gmail.com>

Casey Coleman, chief information officer for the U.S. General Services
Administration <http://www.gsa.gov/>, said in a
speech<http://www.gcn.com/blogs/tech/46132.html>this week that the GSA
heavily relies on open source to drive down costs,
increase flexibility of IT dollars, and reduce risk.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9921115-16.html



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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:15:27 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] cheaper spam control
Message-ID: <609b18560804241115n7b4616e7q86282a61488b3307@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/hosted/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207400211


PS-  hope to see some of you up at Linux Fest North West in Bellingham this
week end.

details at: www.psnug.org


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:15:27 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] cheaper spam control
Message-ID: <609b18560804241115n7b4616e7q86282a61488b3307@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/hosted/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207400211


PS-  hope to see some of you up at Linux Fest North West in Bellingham this
week end.

details at: www.psnug.org


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu May  8 20:08:52 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:08:52 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] security musings
Message-ID: <609b18560805082008j73de8808w31dcd42ae5434530@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/04/microsoft_trojan_horse_part_du.html
MS is working on *open-source implementationof the DMTF CIM and WBEM
standards
http://www.dmtf.org/about/faq/wbem/
http://www.openpegasus.org/
*And here is an announcement
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/systems_management/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=1IDVFZEMNEU3UQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=207402971&_requestid=552782

Surely MS can figure out how to take advantage of Open Source.

__________________________________________
another boost to MS security - just kidding  ;-)
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2008/050108-backspin.html

http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/05/mssql_injection_attack_here_we.html


FBI working
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2008/042408-backspin.html


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:27:17 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] programming and development
Message-ID: <609b18560805121427j49eb6749mf1e49e3598c5bec@mail.gmail.com>

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?p=669

AND read the comments - first dozen or so

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue May 13 18:35:08 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:35:08 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fwd: ODF Alliance Newsletter - May 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080513220741.C9A805899621@elabs3.com>
References: <20080513220741.C9A805899621@elabs3.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560805131835y5464babx327f2fc5bf112550@mail.gmail.com>

NOTE:
OpenOffice 3.0 beta natively supports Mac OS X [Tim Conneally, BetaNews]
http://www.betanews.com/article/OpenOffice_30_beta_natively_supports_Mac_OS_X/1210261432

Microsoft Office 2007 can NOT save in Microsoft very own OOXML file format
-- http://news.zdnet.com/2424-3515_22-198109.html
- read why it probably won't for years, if then.  ISO Fantasy [Tim Bray] -
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/15/OOXML

I leave you to browse all the other articles

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ODF BECOMES NATIONAL STANDARD IN BRAZIL, SOUTH AFRICA, & CROATIA

Standards bodies in South Africa, Brazil, and Croatia formally approved ODF
as national standards. The South African Bureau of Standards (SABS) approved
ODF as a national standard in April following the government's announcement
late last year that ODF will be the standard for document exchange between
government agencies and the public. The final translated version of ODF was
approved by the Brazilian national standards body, ABNT, paving the way for
ODF's adoption as a national standard (ABNT NBR ISO/IEC 26300:2008)
following the government's decision to adopt ODF as the recommended format
for document exchange. The Croatian Standards Institute (Hrvatski zavod za
norme, HZN) confirmed that it approved ODF as a national standard, with the
official decision expected to be published in the institute's bi-monthly
journal later this month.

Brazil -
http://homembit.com/2008/04/odf-is-now-a-brazilian-standard-nbr-isoiec-26300.html

South Africa - http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2365

Croatia - http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7563/469


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EU INSTITUTIONS CALLED ON TO OPEN DOORS TO INTEROPERABILITY, OPEN STANDARDS

Seventy representatives from government, the software industry, and
scientific and consumer groups participated in the April 17th conference
held in the European Parliament in support of the launch of the Open
Parliament Petition. The petition calls on governments to ensure that
citizens and stakeholder groups should not have to use the software of a
single company in order to communicate with their elected officials or
participate in the legislative process. The conference was organized by MEP
David Hammerstein and his colleagues with the support of Open Forum Europe.

http://www.openparliament.eu


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UK GOVERNMENT EDUCATIONAL ADVISORY BODY REFERS OOXML COMPLAINT TO EUROPEAN
COMMISSION

Becta, the United Kingdom Government's lead agency for Information and
Communications Technology (ICT) in education, raised concerns last year
regarding the interoperability difficulties caused by Microsoft's decision
to offer native "out of the box" support for its own OOXML format, while
refusing to offer equivalent support for the ISO-approved Open Document
Format (ODF). Becta filed a complaint with the UK competition authorities
last year and has now referred its interoperability complaint and supporting
evidence to the European Commission. Following ISO's vote on OOXML, Becta
had advised educational institutions in the UK against widespread deployment
of Office 2007 until schools and colleges are sure that they have in place
mechanisms to deal with interoperability and potential digital divide
issues, and to avoid saving any files in OOXML. Due to limitations in
Microsoft's implementation of ODF, Becta also advised Microsoft Office users
to continue to save files in the
 more widely adopted .doc, .xls and .ppt formats.

http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=36594&page=1657&catID=1632


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ODF ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES APPROVED BY OASIS

The Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards
(OASIS), which maintains and improves the ODF specification, approved
guidelines for ODF v1.1 implementation that will help people with
disabilities gain access to computers and information. The guidelines
describes the things that an ODF 1.1 implementation must do in order to
ensure that users with disabilities are equally able to read, create, and
edit documents - with full access to all of the meaning and intent - as
their mainstream colleagues.

http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/office-accessibility/v1.0/cs01/


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NEW OR IMPROVED ODF APPLICATIONS SUPPORT

KOffice 2.0 Alpha 7, a technology preview of the upcoming version 2.0,
offers improved support for ODF and is the first to see results from the ODF
test suite being imported into KOffice.
http://dot.kde.org/1210273570/

OpenOffice.org 3.0 beta is now available and ready for testing. OOo 3.0 beta
will support the upcoming ODF v1.2 standard, which will include support for
extensible metadata, formula, and digital signatures, among other
enhancements. It also provides interoperability with the Macintosh's
VoiceOver screen reader, providing blind users of the Mac with access to an
office suite that enables them to read and write office documents and
spreadsheets in ODF.
http://marketing.openoffice.org/3.0/announcementbeta.html

Corel's WordPerfect Office X4 allows you to open and view ODF files.
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1153321430604?pressId=1208292544667

IBM's aDesigner, a disability simulator that helps web designers ensure that
their content and applications are accessible and usable by the visually
impaired, has added support for ODF.
http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner?open&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GRsite-lnxw07&ca=dgr-lnxw07awadesigner

ODFTrans 0.7.2, free software which can be used as a central service for
bi-directional conversion between proprietary office formats and ODF, now
supports the conversion of spreadsheets and presentations, in addition to
text documents.
http://www.hwd-online.de/ODFTrans_EN.html

ODFDOM 0.6 is the name of the upcoming free ODF framework designed to
provide an API for easily reading, writing and manipulating ODF documents.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODFDOM

EuroOffice Dictionary Professional 1.6 was released adding several new
features and was updated for compatibility with OpenOffice.org 2.4.
http://www.multiracio.com/eurooffice/news/eurooffice-dictionary-professional-1.6-released

UDNdigital's U-Portable-Platform 2.0 (UPP2.0), a mobile, ODF-supporting open
source platform popular in Taiwan, was officially released.
http://www.5680.tw/


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NEW ALLIANCE MEMBERS

Please welcome the following new members: National HPCC Software Exchange
(USA); Students for Free Culture (USA); Activesoft Ltd (Hungary); and Drumev
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EVENTS CALENDAR

ODF Workshop [14 May 2008 - Utrecht, The Netherlands]
http://www.odfworkshop.nl/

ODF Seminar for Municipalities [19 May 2008 - Schoten, Belgium]
http://www.v-ict-or.be/content/events/record.php?ID=125

IDABC Common Assessment Method for Standards and Specifications Info Day [28
May 2008 - Brussels, Belgium]
http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7572

Red Hat Summit [18-20 June 2008 - Boston, MA]
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/

OpenOffice.org Conference (OOoCon 2008)[5-7 Nov 2008 - Beijing, China]
http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2008/


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ODF IN THE NEWS

OpenOffice 3.0 beta natively supports Mac OS X [Tim Conneally, BetaNews]
http://www.betanews.com/article/OpenOffice_30_beta_natively_supports_Mac_OS_X/1210261432


British IT watchdog complains to EU about Microsoft's OOXML format [The
Economic Times-India]
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/British_IT_watchdog_complains_to_EU_about_Microsofts_OOXML_format/articleshow/3036501.cms

BE, NL: governments will not use ISO OOXML [IDABC Open Source News]
http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7562

Office Open XML: Sounds Great, Less Fulfilling [Dave Methvin, Information
Week]
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/04/office_open_xml.html

Norwegians protest OOXML, quote SA minister [tectonic]
http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2340

Geeks take to the street against Microsoft standard [Catherine Stein,
Aftenposten, Norway]
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/article2360806.ece

Microsoft's Great Besmirching [Glyn Moody, Linux Journal]
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/microsofts-great-besmirching

OOXML a No-No for Some Countries, Anyway [Glyn Moody]
http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/04/ooxml-no-no-for-some-countries-anyway.html

Unix beardies get legal over OOXML [Mark Ballard, The Inquirer]
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/09/unix-beardies-legal-ooxml

EC Investigates OOXML 'Process' [Stuart J. Johnston, InternetNews.com]
http://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/3739206/EC+Investigates+OOXML+Process.htm

The Dueling Interoperability Standards Dilemma [Loraine Lawson,
ITBusinessEdge]
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/mia/?p=352

Emerging markets reject OOXML [Candice Jones, ITWeb]
http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2008/0804041100.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPLEAD

Ars tests Microsoft's ODF add-in for Office [Ryan Paul, Ars Technica]
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080307-microsofts-odf-add-in-for-office-still-not-good-enough.html

Microsoft Office 2007 fails OOXML conformance test [Peter Judge, ZDNet]
http://news.zdnet.com/2424-3515_22-198109.html

Microsoft confirms testing of 'Albany' low-cost Office suite [Elizabeth
Montalbano, InfoWorld]
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/18/Microsoft-confirms-testing-of-Albany-low-cost-Office-suite_1.html

ISO Fantasy [Tim Bray] -
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/15/OOXML

Kenya: Microsoft Denies Threatening to Withdraw Funding [Rebecca Wanjiku,
IDG News Service]
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/144898/microsoft_denies_threatening_to_withdraw_funding.html

Eurocrats study Microsoft OOXML under procurement rules [Mark Ballard, The
Inquirer]
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/24/eurocrats-study-microsoft-ooxml

Immature file formats should be kept inside [Tim Anderson, IT Week]
http://www.whatpc.co.uk/itweek/comment/2215287/immature-file-formats-should-3964416

When is a Standard Not a Standard? [Glyn Moody, ComputerWorld UK]
http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=756&blogid=14


Marino Marcich
ODF Alliance
1090 Vermont Ave., NW - Suite 600
Washington, DC 20005
(O) 202.789.4450
(F) 202.289.7097
mmarcich at odfalliance.org
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed May 14 16:31:50 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:31:50 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] testing internet connection speeds
Message-ID: <609b18560805141631g7b685dd6ocbf6791a4f7d0267@mail.gmail.com>

NO SOFTWARE TO INSTALL - any browser along with java

http://broadband.mpi-sws.mpg.de/transparency/

Overview

The goal of our Glasnost project is to make access networks, such as
residential cable, DSL, and cellular broadband networks, more transparent to
their customers.

ISPs are increasingly deploying a variety of middleboxes (e.g., firewalls,
traffic shapers, censors, and redirectors) to monitor and to manipulate the
performance of user applications. Most ISPs do not reveal the details of
their network deployments to their customers. We believe that this knowledge
is important to help users make a more informed choice of their ISP.
Further, such knowledge is also useful for researchers designing protocols
and systems that run on top of these networks.

To improve network transparency, we are building online tools that are easy
to use and publishing them on this web page. Currently, there are two tools
you could use to test your ISP. We will release more tools as we develop
them in the future.

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:43:32 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Linux Adaptec Verizon MS
Message-ID: <609b18560805142143u1464eaa6ic7e549693e31d93f@mail.gmail.com>

Adaptec has announced a new family of entry-level RAID controllers that
support RAID 0, 1, and 10.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9434183425.html
http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/_common/series2?mc=HP_series2L
____________________________________
Verizon wireless supporting Linux phones
http://www.limofoundation.org/current-members/index.php

related news : The Open Handset Alliance (OHA) has announced 46 winners out
of 1,788 submissions for the first round of the Google Android Developer
Challenge. Each winner earns $25,000, with the chance to compete for awards
of $275,000 and $100,000 in later rounds.
__________________
MS XP costs to OEMs
http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=170
_____________________
Sadly MS often just plain lies - and how many people believe them ??
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18046/1141/


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:38:50 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] remote office or server sync - and 3rd party sw
	locator tool
Message-ID: <609b18560805201438t1b7b5b68k4d635a4526ce1f03@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.novell.com/communities/node/82/sync+center+2+0


______________
Much improved - actually very useful tool to find 3rd party products

Novell software partner catagories
http://www.novell.com/partnerguide/section/508.html

now check out  'browse by' from left navigation bar and select 'Novell
product'
http://www.novell.com/partnerguide/section/444.html

for example, selecting above by Groupwise
http://www.novell.com/partnerguide/section/468.html
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu May 22 16:44:28 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:44:28 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] web traffic sniffer
Message-ID: <609b18560805221644n668c8770ve817c541e627a71f@mail.gmail.com>

Good enough for Google to recommend -

Fiddler is a HTTP Debugging Proxy which logs all HTTP traffic between your
computer and the Internet. Fiddler allows you to inspect all HTTP Traffic,
set breakpoints, and "fiddle" with incoming or outgoing data. Fiddler
includes a powerful event-based scripting subsystem, and can be extended
using any Mono/.NET language.

Fiddler is freeware and can debug traffic from virtually any application,
including Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, and thousands more.
http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/


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From: brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:01:44 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fw: SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Service Pack 2
Message-ID: <1211500904.4050e87cbrandon.fouts@myrealbox.com>


FYI -
Brandon Fouts
Past President and
current board member  
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From: brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:16:40 -0700
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FYI -
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current board member  
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue May 27 19:47:55 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:47:55 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] hp and Novell - identity and security deal
Message-ID: <609b18560805271947l7208b622rde5f13d23188e7a@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.novell.com/promo/hp_migration.html

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:58:05 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:58:05 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Fwd: [plone_seattle] Meeting Reminder -- Plone
	at UW, Case Studies
In-Reply-To: <52F1704A-6C26-408B-81B0-81C8875E1985@onenw.org>
References: <52F1704A-6C26-408B-81B0-81C8875E1985@onenw.org>
Message-ID: <609b18560805281058o49fc1169j3f647f8424fbcc08@mail.gmail.com>

just an FYI -


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andrew Burkhalter <andrewb at onenw.org>
Date: Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Subject: [plone_seattle] Meeting Reminder -- Plone at UW, Case Studies
To: plone_seattle at lists.onenw.org


Hey all,

This is just a quick reminder to encourage those that are able to attend
tonight's meeting.  The agenda and info is below.  Also, if you haven't
already, sign up for one of Joel Burton's upcoming Seattle bootcamps at:
http://plonebootcamps.com/courses/seattle3
http://plonebootcamps.com/courses/seattl3-adv

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Agenda
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* Plone on a Budget: How we do it in UW Technology at the University of
Washington - Plone can look scary and expensive to a university department
with a low budget. How do you know if you'll be able to handle it? A look at
some tips and tricks for success when you don't have as many resources as
you'd like. This presentation will cover ideas on where to save in
development, skinning, add-on products, training, documentation, and more.
Also includes a discussion of how to participate in the community. (Melody
Winkle)

* Migrations and Migraines: a case study from UW Radiology - Designing a
website to fill the diverse needs of a organization with 14 academic
sections, 13 research groups and centers, 5 clinical sites, nearly 700
employees and an unbelievably byzantine administration was no easy task.
Migrating existing content from nearly 20 existing sites proved to be even
more challenging. Now that the site is live and running, what lessons have I
learned and what would I do differently next time? Tune in to find out all
about it. (Cris Ewing)

* Lightning Talks, open Q&A (as time allows)

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Logistics
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Seattle Plone Gathering
Wednesday, May 28th, 2008, 6:00 P.M. to 7:45ish P.M.

NPower Seattle
403 - 23rd Avenue South
Seattle WA

Directions at:
  http://npowerseattle.org/about/contact/directions.htm

We're looking forward to seeing everyone in May,




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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu May 29 17:37:12 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:37:12 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] XP SP3
Message-ID: <609b18560805291737s6f390070y2fff48f0fdcce24f@mail.gmail.com>

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080529#intro1

So are you waiting? or have you tried? how did it go?

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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Thu May 29 18:14:10 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:14:10 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] XP SP3
In-Reply-To: <609b18560805291737s6f390070y2fff48f0fdcce24f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <609b18560805291737s6f390070y2fff48f0fdcce24f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483EF272.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

Cautiously waiting.

Steve.

>>> "Brandon Fouts" <brando.fouts at gmail.com> 5/29/2008 17:37 >>>
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080529#intro1 

So are you waiting? or have you tried? how did it go?

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From artkuntz at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 10:37:47 2008
From: artkuntz at gmail.com (ArtK)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:37:47 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] XP SP3
In-Reply-To: <609b18560805291737s6f390070y2fff48f0fdcce24f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <609b18560805291737s6f390070y2fff48f0fdcce24f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d163a780806021037jb9ff330p2ff09a826d0b9769@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brandon,

I am running sp3 on my home machine and 1 machine at work.  No issues at all
so far.  Seems to work just like a monthly update.

I have heard of some issues with Symantec/Norton AV.

I am using NOD32 from eset on both of the machines that I am running sp3 on.

Hope everyone is doing well:)

Art

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Brandon Fouts <brando.fouts at gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080529#intro1
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> So are you waiting? or have you tried? how did it go?
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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:40:30 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] openSUSE desktop screeenlet effects
Message-ID: <609b18560806041740k1ad2fc3av6d147dd24bff453c@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjmTQMhiumU&feature=related

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 13:34:08 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:34:08 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] Linux hardware
Message-ID: <609b18560806111334q17278231r6584d41f3eb192cf@mail.gmail.com>

Linux marches along.

<snip>
What exactly does the Beagle board target? Actually, it would be easier to
describe what it does not target, the Beagleboard.org website enthuses.
Noting that the Beagle can run circles so to speak around the OLPC's
LX800-based low-cost laptop design, the site lists potential applications
that include:


   - Low-cost Linux PC
   - Network-connected digital signage
   - 3D user interface development
   - Game console
   - LCD-to-picture-frame conversion kit
   - Adobe Flash client "alarm clock" (like the Chumby)
   - Kitchen computer
   - Web services development
   - Google Talk video phone
   - Notebook TV-out via USB
   - Projector media reader and presenter
   - Gaming platform emulator
   - Thin client terminal
   - Web browser for the TV
   - Multimedia codec and framework development
   - Home networked media (DLNA/XMPP) server/client
   - Security camera analyzer, streamer, recorder, and monitor
   - USB traffic monitor (looks like a HUB)
   - USB class conversion (add software support where drivers aren't
   available on the PC)
   - Network sniffer
   - Set-top box


</snip>

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5852740920.html



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 18:05:29 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:05:29 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] ODF vs MS OOXML update
Message-ID: <609b18560806111805q7a090152k6f274caf20f02b4f@mail.gmail.com>

The Embrace, Extend, Extinguish of ODF Begins? - Updated:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080524063506630

EU Antitrust investigation into Office's file formats: formats
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=desktop_applications&articleId=9088220&taxonomyId=86&intsrc=kc_top

The real battle?  SharePoint?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9949736-16.html

ODF newsletters -
http://www.odfalliance.org/mail_list.php
You'll see a new list of countries filing complaints about OOXML in the June
10, 2008 the latest: newsletter.


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 22:52:56 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:52:56 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org Support] SUSE DoD approval
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Becoming the first Linux vendor to garner the U.S. Department of Defense's
nod

http://opensourcepbx.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/articles/31534-novells-open-source-server-meets-federal-ip-standards.htm


other items about Linux and Novell
http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Current_events


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