From ssinghose at wccg.net  Tue Jan  1 23:45:23 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:45:23 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: SAP integration with GroupWise
References: <47790C5A.21AC.0006.0@gwava.com>
Message-ID: <477AD093.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

For those who are interested.

Take care.

Steve.

>>> "Richard Bliss" <rbliss at gwava.com> 12/31/2007 15:35 >>>
GWAVA is working with Novell on looking into developing SAP integration with GroupWise. If you are running SAP, or thinking of running it, I invite you to participate in a short survey to help GWAVA determine some of the requirements.
 
You can find the survey here:
 
https://vovici.com/wsb.dll/s/10c1eg2fde8 
 
Thanks,
 
Richard Bliss



From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 14:41:50 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:41:50 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] GW vs Exchange
Message-ID: <609b18560801021441p5a4fda56s80384ff8a88a7b84@mail.gmail.com>

From: "John Ellis" <jmepattingham at googlemail.com>
To: ngw at ngwlist.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:38:51 +0000
Subject: Re: [ngw] Re: Groupwise vs Exchange document

Hi Kees,

My apologies for not being in touch earlier.  Now that Christmas and
New Year festivities are complete its back to business.  As I'm a
member of ngwlist I thought I would reply to your messages via the
list.

Thanks for your comments about my presentation at the GroupWise Summit
in Bruges.  I am hoping that I can make use of the material in some
way to promote GroupWise further, and I'm now talking to Novell about
how to progress things.

I really want the audience to be managers/architects/decision makers
as much as techies and system administrators, and go beyond the
GroupWise community.  There's not much point (is there?) in telling
GroupWise enthusiasts how good the product is and why it remains a
serious alternative to MS-Exchange.

If you're in a company looking for a new messaging and collaboration
system then there are a number of requirements that must be met.  From
where I stand having experience in GroupWise and latterly Exchange
then I can say that GroupWise is a real alternative that has many of
the answers people are looking for.

The issue is that when you're in third place (as GroupWise is) then
you need to heavily advertise your product to keep it in the eye of
your market.  (Who can name the third man to set foot on the moon?
Well it was Pete Conrad and he was a highly accomplished astronaut but
I guess many people have forgotten his amazing mission back in
November 1969.  OK quiz over!)

I hope 2008 will be a successful year for GroupWise and look forward
to seeing v8 released.

Regards

John

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 15:07:02 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:07:02 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Samba and Microsoft
Message-ID: <609b18560801021507p3909381et3dc4b7396ecde183@mail.gmail.com>

http://samba.org/samba/PFIF/

a little more competition is allowed, thanks to EU



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From artk at polyformus.com  Tue Jan  8 10:44:54 2008
From: artk at polyformus.com (Art Kuntz)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:44:54 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Emailing: Business & Technology Microsoft to buy
 Norwegian search engine company for $1.2 billion Seattle Times
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Message-ID: <EE8FBBF03559D1408D4702289018F31923355CF545@mail2.polyform.com>

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Tuesday, January 8, 2008 - Page updated at 10:38 AM

Permission to reprint or copy this article or photo, other than personal use, must be obtained from The Seattle Times. Call 206-464-3113 or e-mail resale at seattletimes.com<mailto:resale at seattletimes.com> with your request.

Microsoft to buy Norwegian search engine company for $1.2 billion

By The Associated Press

OSLO, Norway - Microsoft agreed today to buy search engine company Fast Search & Transfer for $1.2 billion, adding software products that help companies trawl for information on the Internet.

The offer of $2.97 a share is a 42 percent premium to the Norwegian company's recent average share price, and caused the stock to soar by nearly the same amount in early trading on the Oslo stock exchange. Fast's board unanimously recommended that shareholders accept the offer, a news release said.

Fast, founded in 1997 in Oslo, specializes in tailored Web searches that allow major companies, from freight to telecommunications, to store and manage information.

"Enterprise search is becoming an indispensable tool to businesses of all sizes, helping people find, use and share critical business information quickly," Jeff Raikes, president of the Microsoft Business Division, said in a joint news release. "Until now organizations have been forced to choose between powerful, high-end search technologies or more mainstream, infrastructure solutions. The combination of Microsoft and Fast gives customers a new choice: a single vendor with solutions that span the full range of customer needs."

Conditions of the offer include acceptance by at least 90 percent of Fast's shareholders under the terms of a formal offer to be made next week, the statement from the two companies said. The two largest institutional shareholders, Norway's Orkla and Hermes Focus Asset Management Europe, have already accepted the offer, and the companies aim to complete the sale during the second quarter.

Fast's chief executive, John Lervik, said becoming part of Microsoft "gives Fast an exciting way to spread our cutting-edge search technologies and innovations to more and more organizations across the world."

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jan  8 17:24:32 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:24:32 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] PSNUG changes - list server sign-up
Message-ID: <609b18560801081724j370f40f6xe77bf34d20e92052@mail.gmail.com>

PSNUG has new list server software, you can sign up with your browser at:
http://www.psnug.org/join_news.html

Also, check Calendar page for upcoming OES 2 6-hour product review - Jan 16


PS- better security should help fight spam.

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 11:44:50 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:44:50 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] OES 2 - 6 hours - get entered into all expense
	paid drawing to Brainshare
Message-ID: <609b18560801091144l5cc5602agc67391c050e2b511@mail.gmail.com>

check out the details on the Calendar page

www.psnug.org

Jan 16, 2008

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 20:52:02 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:52:02 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] IT - what matters most
Message-ID: <609b18560801092052j348f06dbu6fb1bef55952b513@mail.gmail.com>

The answers might surprise you, maybe not.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=296585&source=6193

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Jan 10 11:37:03 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:37:03 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] GroupWise - GWAVAcon - update
Message-ID: <609b18560801101137n2fd414eete309403da5752162@mail.gmail.com>

FYI -

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Richard Bliss" <rbliss at gwava.com>
To: <ngw at ngwlist.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:17:35 -0700
Subject: GWAVACon Update

Many on the list have been asking about GWAVACon details. I thought I
would post some information here in case there were others wondering.

GWAVACon San Diego Free passes are now sold out. If you wish to
attend, the cost is $795 per person.
The GWAVACon Marriott Conference hotel is also sold out. You can visit
http://www.gwavacon.com/na/san_diego_book_hotel_2008.php to find out
information about the hotels that are across the street.

GWAVACon Shuttle service is being provided by Blue Shuttle. There is
contact information on the GWAVACon website at
http://www.gwavacon.com/na/supershuttle_Information.php
One way ticket is $25, but if there are more than one GWAVACon
attendee on the shuttle, the second price drops to $7. You have to
register online to take advantage of this. Going back to the airport
will be a lot easier since there will be a lot of people going
together.
BTW, a taxi is $60 one way.

Currently the registration and total attendance is just shy of 500.
This is going to be a really big event.

Also, for those who can't attend, we will be broadcasting GWAVACon
Live on GWAVA TV. Information will be available soon on the GWAVA and
GWAVACon websites.

I look forward to seeing everyone from the list who will be in attendance.

Richard Bliss
VP Marketing
GWAVA
The Bliss Blog
gwbliss.blogspot.com

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Jan 10 15:16:42 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:16:42 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] GSLUG Jan 12, 2008
Message-ID: <609b18560801101516q4a33a617y59358e65ab457c1e@mail.gmail.com>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Gslug-general] Next Meeting: January 12th, 2008
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:29:28 -0800
From: Eric Butler <eric at extremeboredom.net>
To: gslug-general <gslug-general at gslug.org>

Hey everyone,

The next GSLUG meeting will be January 12th, 2008.

http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-01-12

I'm sure last meeting's great attendance was mostly thanks to everyone's
effort to spread the word, so please keep it up!

If you can attend, please RSVP for food by adding your name to the
bottom of the wiki page. This way our friends at Silicon Mechanics will
know how much food to order.

Lighting talks will again be 5 minutes, if you have anything to talk
about, please add it to the wiki page. If there's a topic you'd like
someone else to talk about, add it to this page:

http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Lecture_Topics

If you'd like to talk about something, but aren't sure what, this page
will hopefully give you some inspiration.

Let me know if you have any questions, see everyone next year!

 - Eric
_______________________________________________
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Jan 10 16:22:24 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:22:24 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Redmond Mag about Google and open source
Message-ID: <609b18560801101622q8ce0178i7af8931cf6254ebf@mail.gmail.com>

http://redmondmag.com/features/article.asp?editorialsid=2395

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 13:33:22 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:33:22 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] OES 2 - 6 hours - get entered into all expense
	paid drawing to Brainshare
In-Reply-To: <609b18560801091144l5cc5602agc67391c050e2b511@mail.gmail.com>
References: <609b18560801091144l5cc5602agc67391c050e2b511@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560801141333l19433deckda035ce35cac88ab@mail.gmail.com>

REMINDER:  register by Email, so they can make sure you get your
lunch, software, and printed materials.

> check out the details on the Calendar page
>
> www.psnug.org
>
> Jan 16, 2008  - Wednesday

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Jan 14 22:57:06 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:57:06 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Linux Fest Northwest
Message-ID: <609b18560801142257k71b6ffa1o9ca61bb1703af125@mail.gmail.com>

The Linux Fest Northwest will be held April 26th and 27th at
Bellingham Technical College. For more details see the URL below.

> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/
(or follow links from www.psnug.org home page)

We are looking for presenters, exhibitors and volunteers.
We would appreciate any assistance you could offer in these areas.
The LFNW site has links on the home page for signing up in each of the
categories.
> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/

> Thank you PSNUG for  participation in last years Fest and we are looking forward
> to seeing PSNUG again at this years Fest.
> --
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> adrian at blug.org

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 10:38:37 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:38:37 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] FYI - KPLUG meets tonight
Message-ID: <609b18560801151038n136833b1x678456b4bda32765@mail.gmail.com>

 Just a reminder that the regular monthly meeting is tonight...

See the website for details

http://www.kplug.org <http://www.kplug.org/>



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 21:26:34 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:26:34 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] PSNUG meeting
Message-ID: <609b18560801152126t4ff21f98j22a36d951dda3f96@mail.gmail.com>

www.psnug.org

see Calendar page

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 21:41:51 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:41:51 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] WSPTA.org Event
Message-ID: <609b18560801152141geaf970qae6fc40dbeaab553@mail.gmail.com>

just an FYI for those near Poulsbo


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Subject: Upcoming Events

meeting from 5:30p-7:30pm at the Poulsbo Branch of the Kitsap Regional
Library, 700 NE
Lincoln St. Meetings are free to WSTPA members, and $5 for non-members
.
RSVPs are
required (mailto:events at wstpa.org).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
January 17: Voice Over IP (VoIP) Panel

- VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) is one of those buzz words for
which the true implications are lost after being stretched
to the point of ambiguity in the public's mind. Simply put, VOIP is
placing and receiving voice calls using technology
developed for the internet. In practice, it applies to a multitude of
new technologies where voice communications previously carried over
the public switched telephone network (PSTN), and data communications
designed for internet and computers - merge.

Changes which began in large enterprise systems and phone carrier
networks are transforming options for individual users with internet
based calling services. While some of these have been transparent to
the end user, many are not.

* What do enterprises and individuals have in common more than most
small businesses?

* Which aspects of VOIP impact users?

* Is now the right time to replace your company's phone system and if
so, what are the options?

* Is the reliability there for individuals or businesses using
internet based calling services?

* What is E911 and how does it impact VOIP?

* What are the costs/benefits of VOIP based phone switches vs.
traditional hybrid phone systems?

* What are the implications if you choose VOIP on data networking and
architecture?

* What are the considerations for choosing carriers and service plans?

Join us as we answer these questions and more, with panel members
including Embarq,
author Harry Brelsford of SMB Nation, Steve Treanor (KRP
Communications), and Mike Long of NTT, Communications Global IP
Network. Moderator: Charles Keating of Keating Consulting Service.

RSVP for January 17 (mailto:events at wstpa.org).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
February 21 meeting

Business Accounting Software Review

Confused about whether to use Peachtree, Quickbooks, of Microsoft
Accounting? What are the pros and cons for possible business
application?

Presenters: Anthony Smallbeck, Financial Director for Washington State
Trial Lawyers Association, Susan Veach, and Gale Kirsopp of Kirsopp
Consulting.

RSVP for February - mailto:events at wstpa.org

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 02:54:20 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:54:20 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] SUN - MySQL $1B
Message-ID: <609b18560801170254ocf781ccmbf3b39502b79c621@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2008/01/16/sun-mysql-linux-tech-enter-cx_ag_0116sun.html

good overview for management perspective -

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:42:52 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] NorthWestLinuxFest Marketing
Message-ID: <609b18560801171342k1c230a7drb64a6f5b89262636@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Paul for helping !! My suggestions.

- use your vendor industry contacts - AMD for example - see if you can get
them to make presentation, supply items for raffle or give-a-ways -
(smaller/local vendors who might also benefit from contacts they might
make).
  (many of your vendors - again AMD - may already be actively using open
source)

- use your customer contacts to let them know about the show - I think a
great family event, nice lunches, fun to visit area, radio museum great!
  -  good project for your kids, get them involved search out "Bellingham
Museums"

example of what you'll find - but let the kids do the searching and help
with the planning - can you tell I'm not a parent myself??
(apparently ~30 museums in a 10 mile radius)

http://www.whatcommuseum.org/
http://www.mindport.org/
http://www.bellinghamrailwaymuseum.org/
http://maritimeheritage.net/attractions/attraction_select.asp?id=159
http://bellinghamster.com/museums.htm

and for us techie types, this is a real Gem and I hope they have another
vendor event - or a couple of vendors co-sponsor, a little co-operation,
community effort?
http://www.amre.us/site/

AND your pogo buses are very much appreciated - what a great service - if
buses not full, perhaps promotion in lower income areas to get more kids
coming?

AND we shouldn't forget to promote the ones that host the event and have
worked so hard to make this one of the best technical trade events/shows
you'll find most anywhere - not a lot of flash - just solid in depth
introductions to open source paradigm.
http://www.btc.ctc.edu/



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From randygrein at comcast.net  Thu Jan 17 21:41:53 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:41:53 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: my contact
References: <D6D00F281593EC4799FB4AAF83659A66B41F71@exchange01.icon.com>
Message-ID: <C05ECF55-D8C3-4DA3-B288-66E7729F66A5@comcast.net>

For those looking for work...
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ted Dramberger" <tdramberger at iconconsultants.com>
> Date: January 16, 2008 9:34:51 AM PST
> To: <randygrein at comcast.net>
> Subject: my contact
>
> Randy,
>
> I?m glad you have found a great job.  Please feel free to contact me  
> or refer someone to this position.  It?s located over in Everitt.
>
>
> Serves as on-site company liaison with customer on administrative  
> and technical matters for assigned projects/products/solutions.
>
> - Has responsibility for operational quality of Voice and Data  
> system equipment.
>
> - Provides highly visible customer support through the performance  
> of on-site installation, as well as overseeing any necessary  
> diagnoses, troubleshooting, service, and repair of complex equipment  
> and systems.
>
> - Checks out and approves operational quality of system equipment.
>
> - Instructs customers in the operation and maintenance of the Voice  
> and Data systems.
>
> - Interprets customers? needs and clarifies if the responsibility  
> for problem resolution falls to sales personnel, customer support  
> reps, or SE engineers.
>
> - This job may include any aspect of field support, and is not  
> limited to system hardware and software, PC?s, and IP telephony/ 
> networking/ wireless networking.
>
> - Performs on-site or in-house servicing, repair and/or installation  
> of company product(s).
>
> - Provides technical support to customers on operational or  
> maintenance aspects of Voice and Data system equipment.
>
> - Serves as customer contact on technical and service related  
> problems. Diagnoses mechanical, hardware, software and systems  
> failures, using established procedures.
>
> - Determines most cost effective repair/resolution to minimize  
> customer downtime. Prepares reports for analysis of product failure  
> trends and service ability issues.
>
> Skills :
> - Data/Wireless LAN/VOIP/Telephony experience ( i.e. Alcatel-Lucent,  
> Avaya, Nortel, Cisco, Siemens, etc...)
>
> - Basic understanding of wiring and integration of new equipment in  
> an Ethernet environment.
>
> - Fundamental understanding of installation and configuring of  
> computer and related systems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted Dramberger
> Sr. Recruiter
> Icon Information Consultants
> O: 713.438.0919 ext. 118
> Toll Free: 877.374.3216
> tdramberger at iconconsultants.com
>
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Mon Jan 21 11:33:17 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:33:17 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Job: Citrix Engineer Needed
Message-ID: <05F8304F-91EA-4FE2-9341-FCE99D6F3314@comcast.net>

For those looking....

> Hi Randy,
> I came across your name while doing a search for Network Engineers  
> in the Seattle area. I wanted to network with you to see if you knew  
> anyone with experience in Citrix and Active Directory for a full  
> time position with a stable and growing company. This person would  
> be working with a small team supporting around 2500 users. This  
> could be a great opportunity for the right person. Feel free to give  
> me a call with any questions. I appreciate any help you could provide.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sven Bjerkhoel
> H10 Capital
> (206)518-5010
> sven at h10capital.com
>


Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA



From randygrein at comcast.net  Mon Jan 21 15:49:09 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:49:09 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] This Month's meeting, big door prize!
Message-ID: <55A92AE7-1B70-43EA-BC8E-F50A7A77DA90@comcast.net>

Not merely the usual reminder but something new - we have a fantastic  
door prize! Some may know that NUI (Novell Users, International) has  
recently gone back in-house at Novell. As part of this they are  
providing us a new web presence; I'll try to have that updated  
tonight. The big news is thanks to Brandon Fouts we qualified (like  
many other chapters) for 2 free tickets to Brainshare! One goes to the  
President with instructions to bestow the second as we see fit. The  
best possible use being to promote the organization we decided to use  
it as a door prize at the next meeting, Jan 30.

Naturally the prize is for admission only - you'll need to arrange  
transportation and accommodations. If you ever wanted to see what all  
the fuss is about, need to puzzle out some interesting bit of Novell  
technology (like Zenworks, SUSE Linux, Identity Manger) or just have  
an excuse to visit SLC this is for you.

Agenda
6:00 pre meeting, food arrives shortly after
6:30 Meeting called to order
Introductions
old business
new business
	Linuxfest 2008
Door prize giveaway
7:00 - Steve Stroh on Wireless
8:30 - Job board, Q  & A
9:00 - adjourn



Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA



From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Jan 24 12:46:55 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:46:55 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] LFNW presentations and exhibits
Message-ID: <609b18560801241246j22a16e8sd37f59be828d361f@mail.gmail.com>

Please help spread the word - for both presentations and exhibitors.
You might check first to see who is already registered - see bottom 2 URLs.

_____________________________________
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008
From: mark at neolectric.com

Subject: [Fest-list] fest registrations 1/23/2008

To: fest-list at peakserv.com


_________________________
Exhibit at Linuxfest Northwest - sign-up at below URL:

http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/exhibit.html

__________________________
Present at Linuxfest Northwest - sign-up at below URL:

http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/present.html


_______________________
To view current registrations for exhibitors and presenters at LFNW
http://www.blug.org/fest2008/registered-exhibitors.html
http://www.blug.org/fest2008/registered-presenters.html


-=Mark


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:23:13 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Open Source Europe
Message-ID: <609b18560801281523l516ccdfcs3ac188ead0ad5c37@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.fosdem.org/2008/

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Jan 28 16:21:09 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:21:09 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Linuxfest NW 2008 Call For Volunteers
Message-ID: <609b18560801281621t81f0b90k56746119b1cddc64@mail.gmail.com>

> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:42:47 -0800
> From: Adrian Klaver <aklaver at comcast.net>
>


> Subject: [Fest-list] Linuxfest NW 2008 Call For Volunteers
>


> The organizers of LinuxFest Northwest are looking for volunteers for this
> years Fest. The primary need is for room monitors.
>
> ROOM MONITORS:
> Greet the presenter.
> Make sure the audience does not exceed the room occupancy limit.
> Take an audience count.
> Make sure the presentation ends on time.
>
> If room monitoring is not your thing, there is also a need for general
> duty
> volunteers. This would entail exhibitor help and general chores.
>
> PERKS:
>
 We will try to match you up with presentations you want to see. This is
done

> on a first come, first served basis.
> Staff T-shirts until supply runs out. Please indicate size when you sign
> up.
>


> RETURNING VOLUNTEERS
> We will be using the same color shirts as last year. If you still have
> your
> shirt from last year, we ask that you use it again in order that we may
> stretch the budget. When you sign up please let me know if you already
> have a
> shirt.
>
> TIMES:
> The Fest is Saturday April 26th & Sunday April 27th, 2008. There will be a
> setup session the afternoon of Friday April 25th. This is generally from
> 5:00
> PM to 8:00 PM. The days of the Fest the doors open to Staff at 7:00 AM and
> to
> the public at 9:00 AM. The last presentation will end around 4:00 PM.
> There
> is a tear down session Sunday April 27th after the last presentation.
> These
> times are based on last years schedule. As this years schedule has not
> been
> set they may change.
>
> SIGN UP:
> http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/volunteer.html
> When you sign up it would be helpful if you would indicate what chores you
> are
> interested in and what days and time you are available.
>
>
> The more people that sign up the more we can spread the load. The hope is
> to
> have room monitors do no more than two presentations, so you can see the
> rest
> of the Fest. Last year we had 92 presentations, so we would like to have
> at
> least 46 volunteers sign up.
>
> If you have any questions feel free to contact me at the email address
> below.
>
> Thank you,
> --
> Adrian Klaver
> Volunteer Coordinator
> adrian at blug.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>        https://www.peakserv.com/mailman/listinfo/fest-list
>

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From chrisx at nocharge.zzn.com  Tue Jan 29 12:06:01 2008
From: chrisx at nocharge.zzn.com (Chris DeLaRosa)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:06:01 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] has anyone seen this in their email
Message-ID: <35BC82CDE7BB1084AAFB262E7D8DE494@chrisx.nocharge.zzn.com>

hi everyone,
I have a use who sent a word file via email 
this is what came through ??????

no attachment just this ??????

has anyone seen this before?

email is yahoo
we've sent it to other accounts same thing happen

thanks
chris


From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jan 29 14:41:42 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:41:42 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] RailsConf 2008 Portland
Message-ID: <609b18560801291441y7cf5b214nbe11b059e1f9e3bc@mail.gmail.com>

FYI -

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From: RailsConf 2008 <elists-admin at oreillynet.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Registration is Open!
To: brando.fouts at gmail.com


RailsConf
May 29-June 1, 2008
Oregon Convention Center
Portland, OR
http://www.railsconf.com

Go! Registration Is Now Open for RailsConf 2008. Register Now, Save up to
$100 and Secure Your Place.

We're offering up to a $100 discount when you register before April 10,
but since last year's conference sold out in less than three weeks, you
shouldn't dally if you want to be in Portland, Oregon, May 29-June 1.

Take no chances - register now at:
http://en.oreilly.com/rails2008/public/register

Why is this conference so popular? It's "the" event for the growing Rails
Community--the largest official gathering dedicated to everything Rails.
Co-presented by Ruby Central and O'Reilly Media, RailsConf provides an
interactive meeting ground for the most innovative Rails experts and
companies.

Four jam-packed days of expert-led tutorials, enlightening sessions, and
inspirational keynotes offer successful business models, development
paradigms, and design strategies to enable mainstream businesses and new
arrivals to the Web and Rails to make the most of this new generation of
services and opportunities.

Who's Going To Be There?
Among the more than 1600 folks attending, you'll meet Rails and other web
developers--independent, startup, enterprise/corporate; open source
developers; IT managers; tech-savvy entrepreneurs looking to implement
web-based start-ups quickly; users at every level--new, power,
intermediate, advanced, expert; others interested in web technologies and
strategic implementation.

Hear, See, and Meet Rail's Most Innovative Developers and Successful
Practioners
Here's a sample of the sessions you can attend:
-"Design Patterns in Ruby" - Neal Ford (ThoughtWorks)
-"Multi-Core Hysteria: FUD about CRUD?" - Andrea O.K. Wright (Chariot
Solutions)
-"10 Things I Hate About Web Apps" - Micah Martin (8th Light, Inc.)
-"Advanced Active Record Techniques: Best Practice Refactoring" - Chad
Pytel (thoughtbot, inc.)
-"Advanced RESTful Rails " - Ben Scofield (Viget Labs)
-"Assembling Pages Last: Edge Caching, ESI & Rails " - Aaron Batalion
(Hungry Machine LLC)
-"Asynchronous Processing with Ruby on Rails" - Jonathan Dahl (Slantwise
Design)
-"CRUD Doesn't Have an 'S' in It: Managing Complex Searching in Rails" -
Stephen Midgley (Hutz.com)
-"Facebook Development and Performance with Rails" - Mike Mangino
(Elevated Rails)
-"Fast, Sexy, and Svelte: Our Kind of Rails Testing" - Dan Manges and Zak
Tamsen (ThoughtWorks)
-"Surviving the Big Rewrite: Moving YELLOWPAGES.COM to Rails" - John Straw
(YELLOWPAGES.COM)
-"The Great Test Framework Dance-Off" - John Susser (Pivotal Labs)
-"The Launch: Dos and Don'ts of Real Life Deploys" - Chris Wanstrath (Err
Free)
-"The Profitable Programmer: Creating Successful Side Projects" - Geoffrey
Grosenbach (Topfunky Corporation), Tom Preston-Warner (Powerset), Chris
Wanstrath and PJ Hyett (Err Free), and Ben Curtis (Catch the Best)
-"Using Git To Manage and Deploy Rails Apps" - Scott Chacon (Reactrix,
Inc.)
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Doesn't Want To Tell You About It" - Philippe Hanrigou (ThoughtWorks)

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-"CI for the Rails Guy (or Gal)" ? Chad Wolley (Pivotal Labs)
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-"Meta-Programming Ruby for Fun & Profit" - Neal Ford (ThoughtWorks)
-"Powering AIR Applications with Rails" - Tony Hillerson (EffectiveUI)
-"Refactoring Yours Rails Application" - Zach Dennis (Atomic Object)
-"Hands-On Rapid Rails Development with Hobo" - Tom Locke and James
Garlick (HoboCentral)

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develops by signing up for the conference newsletter, at:
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Throughout the event, there will be ample opportunity for all participants
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the core Rails development team and hear about the latest developments
straight from the source.

We hope to see you in Portland in May,

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Jan 29 14:50:00 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:00 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] New Book: Hacking: The Art of Exploitation
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-8049251-48996-2008.01.29-11.49.04--brando.fouts#gmail.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
References: <LYRIS-8049251-48996-2008.01.29-11.49.04--brando.fouts#gmail.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560801291450j73d19b14veb72d85f0c222c4d@mail.gmail.com>

anyone want to commit to reading AND writing up a review of this one?

If so, I can get you a free copy - but you'll need to write up a review for
O'Reilly, so take notes.


On Jan 29, 2008 11:49 AM, O'Reilly Media <ormadmin at oreilly.com> wrote:

> ***New from the O'Reilly Store***
>
> Hacking: The Art of Exploitation
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593271441/?CMP=EMC-E2H238907668
>
> By Jon Erickson
> Second Edition: January 2008
> Publisher: No Starch Press
> ISBN: 1-59327-144-1
> Pages: 480
> Price: $49.95 USD
>
> While other books merely show how to run existing exploits, Hacking: The
> Art of Exploitation broke ground as the first book to explain how hacking
> and software exploits work and how readers could develop and implement their
> own. In the extensively updated and expanded second edition, author Jon
> Erickson again uses practical examples to illustrate the most common
> computer security issues in three related fields: programming, networking
> and cryptography. Includes a live CD, which provides a Linux programming
> environment and all of its benefits without the hassle of installing a new
> operating system.
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Wed Jan 30 05:48:40 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:48:40 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Meeting, raffle, and more
Message-ID: <4F64E409-445A-4789-B323-F7745B80B8CF@comcast.net>

Big meeting tonight with a Brainshare door prize! We will discuss  
Boeing jetliner security (hint - wireless is involved), the upcoming  
hacker movie based on Laura Chappell, and our own Steve Stroh will  
discuss wireless developments. For more information check out http://www.psnug.org 
, and be sure to catch the Laura Chappell animated article for  
connection magazine online, http://www.novell.com/connectionmagazine.  
Check out the Current issue, Animated movie.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA



From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Jan 31 12:52:00 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:52:00 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Open File Formats - must read regarding the
	management of electronic documents
Message-ID: <609b18560801311252k713a924aoa35fdf2a5bf6cf9b@mail.gmail.com>

 ALLIANCE RESPONSE TO ECMA'S PROPOSED DISPOSITION OF COMMENTS ON OOXML

 The Alliance report explains what is missing from the 2,293 pages of
proposed fixes? Inadequacy of a six-week review period for over 1,000
changes (the total number of "fixes" proposed by Ecma) and the
inappropriateness of the "fast-track" procedure (when normal procedures are
available) for a specification of this magnitude, the proposal: ignores the
request from several countries and EU advisory bodies for harmonization
between OOXML and the already ISO-approved ODF; adds to the confusion
between the trademarked name of OpenOffice (ODF's first implementation) and
the proposed standard, Office Open XML; introduces new errors, inadequately
addresses existing ones, and ignores many other errors altogether; inhibits
interoperability; and proposes contradictory solutions.

http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/Disposition%20of%20Comments.pdf


ODF ALLIANCE RESPONDS TO BURTON GROUP REPORT

  "What's Up, .DOC? ODF, OOXML, and the Revolutionary Implications of XML in
Productivity Applications." The Alliance analysis, which highlighted 18
errors and unsubstantiated conclusions contained in the Burton Group report,
was produced for the benefit of those who are now evaluating their options
regarding the management of electronic documents.

http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/BurtonGroupResponseFinal.pdf

below is complete newsletter


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marino Marcich <mmarcich at odfalliance.org>

ODF Alliance Newsletter
30 January 2008

You can sign up to receive the free newsletter or download a PDF version:
http://www.odfalliance.org/mail_list.php.

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ODF YEAR-IN-REVIEW 2007 HIGHLIGHTS MAJOR GAINS WITH GOVERNMENTS, GROWING
APPS SUPPORT

The ranks of governments requiring the use of ODF continued to swell in
2007, as did the number of software vendors implementing support for ODF in
their products, according to a new annual report published by the ODF
Alliance. Major developments and milestones for ODF in 2007 included:

*The Netherlands and South Africa adopted policies requiring ODF's use by
government agencies, joining ten other countries that had already done so.

*ODF software support grew rapidly to include over 40 applications, with
more than a dozen announcements of new or improved support during the months
of September and October alone.

*The OASIS OpenDocument Technical Committee, which maintains the ODF
specification, reached consensus about extensible metadata for the upcoming
ODF v1.2 specification, which among these and many other new features will
come with digital-signature support. A first draft of the spreadsheet
formula specification that will also become a part of ODF v1.2.

*Accessibility-related improvements were incorporated into ODF v1.1,
allowing ODF to meet or exceed the accessibility features of any other
office document format.

http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/AnnualReport2007.pdf


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ALLIANCE RESPONSE TO ECMA'S PROPOSED DISPOSITION OF COMMENTS ON OOXML

ISO fast-track procedures provide the submitter of a proposed standard, in
this case Ecma, the opportunity to address the problems that national
standards bodies (NBs) identified in the hope of persuading them to change
their vote. Ecma's Proposed Disposition of Comments was published on January
14. The Alliance report explains what is missing from the 2,293 pages of
proposed fixes? Beyond the inadequacy of a six-week review period for over
1,000 changes (the total number of "fixes" proposed by Ecma) and the
inappropriateness of the "fast-track" procedure (when normal procedures are
available) for a specification of this magnitude, the proposal: ignores the
request from several countries and EU advisory bodies for harmonization
between OOXML and the already ISO-approved ODF; adds to the confusion
between the trademarked name of OpenOffice (ODF's first implementation) and
the proposed standard, Office Open XML; introduces new errors, inadequately
addresses existing ones, and i
 gnores many other errors altogether; inhibits interoperability; and
proposes contradictory solutions.

http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/Disposition%20of%20Comments.pdf


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ODF COMMUNITY BLOG LAUNCHED

Want to inform a global audience about document freedom in your part of the
world? Or vent a little? The new ODF Community Blog may be your ticket.
Simply send me a proposed topic followed by a draft post.

ODF Community Blog - http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/


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PARANA, BRAZIL JOINS GROWING RANKS OF REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS REQUIRING USE OF
ODF

Continuing the trend at the national level, Paran?, a state in southern
Brazil, became the second regional government in South America and sixth
globally to adopt ODF. On December 18th 2007 the Legislative Assembly
approved a law requiring all public administrations and autonomous bodies
and companies under state control to adopt ODF (ISO 26300: 2006) for the
creation, storage and display of digital documents.

https://www.documentos.dioe.pr.gov.br/dioe/servlet/SltDownloadPdf?ec=kWyYWYpWYZwYEWyEWKw&arquivo_codigo=3694
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UK EDUCATIONAL BODY ADVISES SCHOOLS AGAINST SAVING IN OOXML

Becta, the UK government's lead agency for ICT in educational development,
has published a review of Microsoft's Vista and Office 2007 products. In the
report, UK schools using Office 2007 are advised not to save in Microsoft's
new Office Open XML format (.docx, .xlsx, .pptx) in order to ensure widest
compatibility of files between different computers. Due to limitations in
Microsoft's implementation of ODF (via a plug-in), the report warns, users
of Office 2007 should continue to use the more widely adopted .doc, .xls and
.ppt formats.

http://publications.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=35276


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UNIVERSITIES NOW MAKING THE MOVE TO ODF

The University of Salamanca in Spain has just passed a regulation that
requires open access in its electronics documents; specifically, ODF for
text, presentation and spreadsheets where the document needs to be modified
by the recipient; PDF/A for documents requiring longer-term preservation;
and HTML/XHTML for documents on the university's web site.

http://oca.usal.es/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=110
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ODF ALLIANCE RESPONDS TO BURTON GROUP REPORT

The ODF Alliance published a response to a Burton Group report entitled
"What's Up, .DOC? ODF, OOXML, and the Revolutionary Implications of XML in
Productivity Applications." The Alliance analysis, which highlighted 18
errors and unsubstantiated conclusions contained in the Burton Group report,
was produced for the benefit of governments and others who are now
evaluating their options regarding the management of electronic documents.

http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/BurtonGroupResponseFinal.pdf


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REPORT FINDS ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES REMAIN UNSUPPORTED BY OOXML

The white paper, "Accessibility Issues with OOXML," by Jutta Treviranus,
Director of the Adaptive Technology Resource Centre and Dr. Stephen A.
Hockema, faculty member of Information Studies - both at the University of
Toronto - has been updated in response to Microsoft claims that many of the
unsupported accessibility guidelines discussed in the white paper were, upon
further analysis by Microsoft, actually supported by OOXML.  The updated
white paper, however, finds these new claims misleading and that in almost
all of these cases, the accessibility checkpoint is not satisfied despite
Microsoft's amended claims.

http://atrc.utoronto.ca/index.php?option=com_content&sectionid=14&task=view&hidemainmenu=1&id=371


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NEW OR IMPROVED ODF APPLICATIONS SUPPORT

The Alliance is happy to highlight new or improved applications support for
ODF, so please keep us informed of any product announcements.

Wikipedia: Announced plans to add ODF for word processors to the list of
export formats.
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikis_Go_Printable

ODF-XSLT Document Generator: This library written in PHP 5 brings the full
power of XSLT to your ODF files.
http://www.jejik.com/odf-xslt/


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NEW ODF ALLIANCE MEMBERS

Please welcome the following new members: QindelGroup (Spain); Carvalho
Azevedo & Martins Braz -
Advocacia|Consultoria Jur?dica (Portugal); Administra??o Central do
Advocacia|Sistema de Sa?de (Portugal); F&B Sistemas (Ecuador); SEA
Tecnologia (Brazil); and Instituto de Governo Eletr?nico, Intelig?ncia
Jur?dica e Sistemas (Brazil)


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ODF IN THE NEWS

Study: Open Document Format gained momentum in '07 (Chris Kanaracus, IDG
News Service)
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/010408-study-open-document-format-gained.html?page=2

Office 2003 SP3 Disables Old Files (Mark Long, Sci-Tech Today)
http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Office-2003-SP3-Disables-Old-Files/story.xhtml?story_id=010001473O0Q

Remembrance of things past (Glyn Moody)
http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/01/remembrance-of-things-past.html

Public Request For Microsoft To Release Deprecated File Formats (Slashdot)
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/15/139215

EU opens new cases against Microsoft (Vnunet.com)
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2207211/eu-opens-cases-against

EU Opens Two New Investigations Against Microsoft ? One Involving OOXML
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080114105017559

How Will EU Microsoft Probe Impact Open Office XML? (Jennifer LeClaire,
Enterprise Software)
http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=1000039ILIMO

Defend it? Of course, but what's next for Open Office XML?(NetworkWorld)
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/24078

ODF Vs. OOXML: Someone Is, Indeed, Writing A Book (Serdar Yegulalp,
InformationWeek)
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/01/odf_vs_ooxml_so.html

ODF Alliance strikes back at report (James Archibald, Tectonic)
http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2050

The world does not need a "conversion nightmare": a standard office file
format already exists (Tony Mobily, Free Software Magazine)
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/editorial_22



Marino Marcich
Managing Director
ODF Alliance
1090 Vermont Avenue, NW, 6th Floor
Washington, DC 20005
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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:54:06 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] MS works for their monopoly - OOXML
Message-ID: <609b18560801312054k5892754u55f784db57c6f0fd@mail.gmail.com>

Just How Does Ecma Propose to Resolve Those 3,522 Comments on OOXML? January
2008

Recall that Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML) failed to achieve approval
in the first round of
balloting<http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/business_applications/microsoft_fud_watch_ooxml_edition.html>that
ended September 2 2007. ISO fast-track procedures provide the
submitter
of a proposed standard, in this case Ecma, the opportunity to address the
problems that national standards bodies (NBs) identified in the hope of
persuading them to change their vote. Ecma's Proposed Disposition of
Comments <http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/%7Estegu/OOXML/DIS29500-2008-002.pdf>was
published on January 14, leaving precious little time for NBs before
the
Feb 25-29 Ballot Resolution Meeting (BRM).

Consider the task ahead for any NB reconsidering its vote:
6,045 pages?the length of the OOXML specification
3,522 comments?the number of errors, ambiguities and omissions submitted by
national standards bodies
2,293 pages?the length of Ecma's proposed "fixes"

http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/





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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:44:20 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: plone Seattle
Message-ID: <609b18560802010944y49ece128maa0d351dda6cf94@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andrew Burkhalter <andrewb at onenw.org>
Date: Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Subject: [plone_seattle] Details confirmed for Repoze Talk
To: plone_seattle at lists.onenw.org


As a follow-up to the save the date announcement (see below, if you missed
that), we wanted to let you know that we've finalized several details for
the talk we'll be jointly hosting with Seattle Python and Portland Plone.

-------
Cost
-------
First and foremost, I have some good news on cost.  Thanks to the very
generous sponsorship of Ned Schumann at Olympus.net and Veda Williams, there
will be no cover charge to attend the event.  We didn't want cost to be a
limiting factor and we all owe Ned and Veda a huge thanks for helping to
bring great talks to Seattle Plone!

----------------
Logistics for 2/12 meeting
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Seattle Plone, Portland Plone, & SeaPIG
Tuesday, February 12th, 2007, 6:00 P.M. to 7:45ish P.M.

NPower Seattle
403 - 23rd Avenue South
Seattle WA

Directions at:
   http://npowerseattle.org/about/contact/directions.htm


Don't hesitate to ask if you have questions and we look forward to seeing
you the 12th.

Andrew





On Jan 14, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Burkhalter wrote:

This is just a quick announcement encouraging you to *save the evening of
Tuesday, February 12, 2008* for what's bound to be an incredible
presentation on Repoze here in Seattle.

(For those wondering, our initial survey suggested that we had interest to
do a joint meeting in Seattle for members of the Portland/Seattle Plone user
groups.)

Details such as cost per person (we're trying to keep this as low as
possible), exact location in Seattle, and timing will be announced as soon
as possible!

To wet your appetite, here's a report on a similar talk from Noah Gift of
the Python group in Atlanta as posted on oreillynet.com:

One of the more dramatic, show and tell, pieces, was a local demonstration
of their "theme trac like Plone trick". The crowd was blown away, when Tres
and Chris stole, borrowed, pick your favorite word, the pyatl plone
3.0site, and themed a localhost trac instance. We also saw a great
debugging
middleware WSGI tool, that "leaked" objects in the WSGI stack. WSGI is truly
an incredible technology, and I am so excited about it, I almost can't
sleep.


We hope you can join us and don't hesitate to ask if you have questions
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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:48:14 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Saving $200,000
Message-ID: <609b18560802011448u57077c26gf364060c3e06a7e8@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/092107-california-school-it.html

70 servers
2000-2200 desktops
4 guys + manager

Linux, Netware and MS.

Carver has some advice for IT executives considering open source: "research,
research, research," she says.

For Windsor, it was a year of "analyzing the cost, analyzing the savings, my
IT time, my staff time, our uptime, our down time, and our security," she
says.


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From: brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:04:44 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Early Registration Discount at OSBC
Message-ID: <1201824284.4033781cbrandon.fouts@myrealbox.com>

FYI - 

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Click here to register:
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OSBC is the industry?s forum for senior business leaders, C-level technical strategists, lawyers and venture capitalists to collaborate on emerging business models, strategies and profitability through open source.  

OSBC explores the legal, investment, vendor, and customer risks, rewards and opportunities presented by open source software. Over the course of two days, the agenda will deliver content-rich sessions from well-known thought leaders on how open source technology is being used today and 
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Click here to find out what?s in store at OSBC from Kaplan Test Prep & Admissions:
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2008 Speaker Lineup Includes:
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To review the current list of speakers, visit: http://www.infoworld.com/event/osbc/08/osbc_speakers.html

This Year?s Featured Tracks and Topics include: 
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Feb  4 12:07:03 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:07:03 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: [GSLUG-Announce] REMINDER: Next Meeting is
	February 9th, 2008 (This upcoming Saturday)
In-Reply-To: <1202094658.9465.8.camel@localhost>
References: <1202094658.9465.8.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <609b18560802041207u428b5d40kcd2609029a9ad220@mail.gmail.com>

FYI -   www.gslug.org

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Eric Butler <eric at extremeboredom.net>

Subject: [GSLUG-Announce] REMINDER: Next Meeting is February 9th, 2008 (This
upcoming Saturday)


Hi everyone,

The next GSLUG meeting fast approaching, and only 8 people are signed up
to attend! Please help keep the group alive by spreading the word to
friends.

There's also still slots available for people to talk, so please sign up
if you're interested.

I'm going to be out of town for SCALE (I'll be working at the GNOME
booth if anyone else is heading down), but Ian will be around to make
sure everything goes on, I'm sure this meeting will be just as
successful as the last one (which was the largest attendance yet!).

- Eric




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From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:39:12 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] And the winner is...
Message-ID: <412902CF-2957-4FD2-B51E-BCBFF800620B@comcast.net>

Steve Singhose of Western Computer Consulting Group won the door prize  
at the January meeting - a free ticket to Brainshare!  Congratulations  
Steve, your registration is in the (e)mail.


Randy Grein, PSNUG President
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 22:26:58 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:26:58 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] top 10 - desktop apps for Linux - many run on
	windows
Message-ID: <609b18560802072226j7d93414eq62b416c04e6ab492@mail.gmail.com>

top 10 - desktop apps for Linux  (and many run on windows too)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Best-Ten-Open-Source-Desktop-Applications-of-2007-74963.shtml

Linux BIOS - userful idea being used by High Performance Computing and
other cluster systems - when might server makers use??


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Feb  8 00:36:27 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 00:36:27 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] technical officer blog
Message-ID: <609b18560802080036p148c14e5y1282505859b78c8c@mail.gmail.com>

A good time to read -
Jeff Jaffe's Blog <http://www.novell.com/ctoblog/> Chief Technical Officer
for Novell
http://www.novell.com/ctoblog/?p=67

sample - Jeff wrote:
"At my two previous companies ? IBM and Bell Labs ? there was also a
"Fellow" designation. In late 2007, we introduced the Novell Fellow
designation. I'll explain the motivation and introduce the first two Novell
Fellows."

PS- Greg Kroah-Hartman  has been at OSCON -Portland, OR - in the past and
you could easily walk up and talk with him. Perhaps he'll be there again
this year, as I think he lives in Portland and is still working at SUSE
labs.

________
ICEcore - Mentioned in Jaffe Blog you may not know this one, so read on.

Welcome to ICEcore!

ICEcore is the culmination of 3 years of development effort by SiteScape, a
leader software solutions for team collaboration, and has been released
under the open source CPAL license.  Everyone is free to download, use, and
modify to their hearts content.  However, we hope you'll try us out, like
us, and come back and help us develop ICEcore into something we can't even
imagine yet.

ICEcore is the first Open Source project to fully integrate team workspaces
and real-time conferencing in a single, integrated collaboration
environment. It provides all the tools knowledge workers demand most --
blogs, wikis, discussion threads, workflow, document management, file
stores, RSS feeds and more.  ICEcore helps organizations achieve true
collaboration and transform social networking into a competitive advantage.
In addition, by using ICEcore Conference users can take advantage of
ICEcore's "presence" feature, team members can check if people are
available, then meet using instant messaging to examine content, discuss
issues, and reach consensus.

ICEcore Team is a JSR168 compliant portlet that runs in the Liferay Portal
Server and uses many open source components such as Java, Hibernate, Spring,
MySQL, and many others.  The ICEcore Conference Server is a C and C++
application that integrates with all major IM clients and also supports
Real-time application sharing and presence indicators in the ICEcore Team
product.  ICEcore Conference is also built on popular open source software
such as wxWidgets, openssl, and Jabber.

This website and our community are built using the ICEcore Team
collaboration software.  Our software will feel slightly different if you
are used to other open source collaboration environments like SourceForge or
Freshmeat, however once you try it you'll never want to go back to other
ways of collaborating for open source development.  One difference you'll
notice right away is that we don't use traditional mailing lists, if you
want to stay informed about what is happening in the ICEcore Community you
simply subscribe to a folder.  Subscribing to a folder is similar to
subscribing to a mailing list but is completely configurable in when you get
notices of new activity.

Also, a neat feature that we think you'll like is that when you submit a
question in our forums you can subscribe to only that particular entry, so
instead on wading through lots of unrelated information from the forum
you're only notified when someone responds to your particular issue.  An if
that's not enough if you register as a member of the community you'll get
access to customized information related to bugs you've filed or code you've
submitted.  It's a great way to stay informed of the status of the project
and we think you'll like it alot.

However, we do want to note that we are just kicking off our developer
community and may not have thought of everything (in fact we're sure we
didn't), do we want your input on what we can do better.  If you think of
something you'd like to see changed or added on the website, let us know.


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:14:31 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Kaleidoscope training schedule reminder
Message-ID: <609b18560802111314m44c63af5jdea80b304a0fa6a1@mail.gmail.com>

http://kaleidoscope-consulting.com/_wsn/page3.html

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:41:02 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] hp/compaq ML server with hot swap drives 3.5"
Message-ID: <609b18560802130841n77ab5066k896f763a41710469@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have one of these that still works?
will you "sell" for parts?

please Email brando.fouts at gmail.com  if you know of such a server


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:20:35 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Sitescape - ICEcore - important GW trend/news
Message-ID: <609b18560802131420j33ecd400ye94c9db5f1df3159@mail.gmail.com>

Acquisition Demonstrates Long-term Commitment to Collaboration and
GroupWiseMerger
will create interoperable, open source and open standards-based workspaces
for team productivity

Consistent with Novell's commitment to interoperabilty, Novell Teaming +
Conferencing runs on both Linux* and Windows*, and works with Lotus Notes*
and Microsoft Exchange*, in addition to GroupWise.


press release:
http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-delivers-open-collaboration-with-sitescape-acquisition/

demo and eval:
http://www.novell.com/promo/acquisition.jsp


http://www.novell.com/collaboration/
___________
just a part of - and GW is integrated as well:
http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/

http://www.novell.com/collaboration/commit.html
http://www.novell.com/

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http://www.icecoreopen.org/web/icecore_guest
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From brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com  Wed Feb 13 14:44:58 2008
From: brandon.fouts at myrealbox.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:44:58 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fw: Complimentary Admission to Attend OSBC
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limited number available, see if you qualify - SF, CA March 25-26
Brandon Fouts
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current board member  
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 16:43:43 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:43:43 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] GroupWise grew 7% last year - so what is happening?
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Subject: Re: [ngw] Fwd: Novell Acquires SiteScape

This is a very important development in Novell's collaboration strategy.  It
is much more than adding a solution to our product portfolio for our
customer's that satisfies their teaming and conferencing needs.  It is more
than a nice addition to our flagship, personal productivity tool, GroupWise.

- It shows the commitment of Novell to our customers for our collaboration
products.

- MOMENTUM.... this commitment is a signal of the strength of the business.
 GroupWise grew 7% last year.  This product has been building momentum for 6
quarters now.  It is a very healthy business.  When a product builds
momentum, a company can increase it's investment.  New things can start to
happen.  New innovation for our customers in both the teaming products and
GroupWise.  This product and business is really taking off

- Executive visibility and increased press... Ron is very excited about the
prospects of our collaboration products.  I spent two days with him after
GWAVACon a few weeks back as he talked to the press.  Novell Teaming +
Conferencing and GroupWise got a tremendous amount of air time.  CxO level
people see and hear this and realize the jewel they have in GroupWise and
the next generation of complimentary collaboration tools.

- Customers see they now have an alternative to SharePoint at a lower cost,
that is open source/open standards and enables them to build upon their
previous investment in GroupWise.

- Now that Novell owns the Product, we can now form even closer relations
with a very talented team at Sitescape.

The Workgroup leadership is doing a tremendous job and working very hard to
meet the needs of our customers and partners.  I enjoyed working with them
as they drove this acquisition to completion.

I look forward to seeing everyone at BrainShare.  I miss working on
GroupWise and with our great customers and partners.  Please come say hi if
you get a chance while in SLC.

--Ken

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 21:34:18 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brando)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:34:18 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] They're Bluffing, Linus Taunts
Message-ID: <0016e645a3d8044617a422962ea556f1@google.com>

Hope you enjoy this one.

Sent to you by Brando via Google Reader: They're Bluffing, Linus Taunts
via OpenSUSE Linux Rants by Scott Morris on 2/4/08
Linus Torvalds believes that users of Linux have nothing to fear. M$ is
bluffing. According to Linus:

"They have been sued for patents by other people, but I don't think
they've -- not that I've gone through any huge amount of law cases 
-- but
I don't think they've generally used patents as a weapon," Torvalds
said. "But they're perfectly happy to use anything at all as fear,
uncertainty and doubt in the marketplace, and patents is just one thing
where they say, 'Hey, isn't this convenient? We can use this as a PR
force.'"

Boy, one thing that I've always said, and it's truer now than ever, is
that M$ is a marketing company, not a software company. They understand
people and how they respond and react to things. They will push the
very bounds of what's legal in order to intimidate and influence
people. What's funny is that your average person wants someone else to
tell them what to do. Many people like to give away their power to
choose. They don't want the responsibility of thinking for themselves,
and it's too much effort anyway.

Anyway, it's nice to see people starting to break out of that and turn
their back on M$. Many governments are doing that around the world. By
now you've likely heard that the French Police dumped Windows on 70,000
machines for Ubuntu Linux. I think that's the biggest migration I've
ever heard of.

Think outside the box. Learn something. Don't be afraid of the Big Bad
Wolf. Go Linux.

Things you can do from here:
- Subscribe to OpenSUSE Linux Rants using Google Reader
- Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Feb 13 21:50:19 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:50:19 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] $200 computer update
Message-ID: <609b18560802132150o6387af0mdd63ff7c97642ec1@mail.gmail.com>

You can search WalMart - couple days ago, no stock for 100 miles from
Seattle.

(not sure if you could order on-line? - I don't like low wages these guys
pay, so I shop Costco which pays almost double WalMart wages)


Now look who else is getting in the game: Sears

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-17-2008/0004737965&EDATE=

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00373907000P?vName=Computers+%26+Electronics&keyword=freespire


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:20:33 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Linux trivia - I mean important TRENDS !!!
Message-ID: <609b18560802132220k73dca8eaj2afeef50c0067b2c@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I promise, the last Linux promoting for at least a week !


<snip>
"In 2007, only about 39% of new computers shipped with Vista on board,
compared with the 67% of the new computer market captured by Windows XP in
its first full year of availability in 2002, based on data from Microsoft
and Gartner."

"In spurning Vista, some PC buyers have cited concerns about its cost,
resource requirements, and incompatibility with their existing applications.
Indeed, the Home Premium version of Vista, not including a computer, costs
more than Everex's gPC. *It also requires 15 Gbytes of disk space and a
hefty processor*."
source<http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205604334>

15 Gigabytes? I had better be getting a personal spacecraft for that size.
We went to the moon with the equivalent of a calculator. Now we need 15
Gigabytes to write documents in Word (*) and send email in Outlook(*)? No
thanks.
These days, even the Micro$ofties are running
Linux<http://hacktivision.com/index.php?blog=2&title=microsoft-hypocrites&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1>.
You have got to love that.
</snip>

Well, MS has to compete against Google and Amazon which run Linux.

Top 500 super computers  http://www.top500.org/stats/list/30/osfam
Looks Like Linux has a monopoly here 85%
(window went from 2005 with 2, then 2006 with 0, now back in the game 2007
with 6 - an upward trend !!)
more detailed - OS versions
http://www.top500.org/stats/list/30/os
(60 are actually SUSE ! )

and what is this community thing about?
http://www.suseblog.com/?p=284

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:23:26 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Hosting company stats - no downtime for 31 days
Message-ID: <609b18560802142323x3469a229g49f1d938d45ca020@mail.gmail.com>

Five of January's top ten hosting company sites run Linux on their main
sites,
Four, including Swishmail, run FreeBSD.
One Windows-based site within the top ten this month is Go Daddy's, which
runs Windows Server 2003


Actually 37 companies managed no downtime - and then are ranked by speed

19 Linux
  7 FreeBSD
  6 Windows 2003
  3 unknown
  1 F5 Big-IP
  1 Solaris

actual report
http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/reports/Hosters

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:27:15 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: Linux SIG meeting Tuesday Feb 19, 2008
Message-ID: <609b18560802171827j7668a4aj35f211d57389d62a@mail.gmail.com>

FYI-  Lakwood, WA Linux group meeting

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Subject:  Linux SIG meeting Tuesday Feb 19, 2008


Linux is the revolution that is becoming the computer operating system of
the future! Say good bye to expensive proprietary operating systems,
viruses, worms, crashes, forced upgrades, infuriating popups & get a better,
complete Linux operating system with all the applications you need for a
very affordable price. Now is the time to make the move to Linux. We welcome
you to join us.

The February 19, 2008 Linux SIG meeting is on the 3rd Tuesday of the month
at the Lakewood Fire Station, 5000 Steilacoom Blvd SW, Lakewood, WA 98499
(by the water tower & on the West side of the complex) in Training Room #2.
Doors open by 6:30 PM for setup. Super fast T-1 internet connections
available. We will look at the new released Linux distributions including
OpenSUSE 10.3 with One Click Software Install, Mepis Linux 7.00 (which runs
on Debian & Kubuntu and adds improvements), Puppy Linux 3.01 for old/low
capacity computers, flash drives, etc, Kubuntu 7.10 & Fedora 8. We will
review the Grand Unified Bootloader (GRUB) boot menu and running your
computer functions plus HDTV on one screen.

As always, you are encouraged to use Linux as your operating system since
Linux is much more secure and more affordable than proprietary software and
the best solution for home or office use. You can run Linux on all
off-the-shelf standard hardware from new back to approx. Pentium I. The goal
is to get you started or advanced with Linux. We are Linux distribution
neutral and try out all sorts of Linux distributions. Our focus is to get
all proprietary Windows and Mac users switched to open source Linux. We
encourage trying out different Linux distributions since they all bring new
ideas to the community.
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Sun Feb 17 19:28:16 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:28:16 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Linux Fest North West - OLPC and XO
Message-ID: <609b18560802171928y1f5d179dyc260b6a4cbbc47c7@mail.gmail.com>

just a heads up on one of the activities in the works for LFNW:

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Today's Topics:

  1. LFNW08: Announcement of OLPC -One Laptop Per Child-  XO Laptop
presentation track, vendor table, dedicated presentation/learning lab area.
     (Iain (FreeGeek) Davidson)

From: "Iain (FreeGeek) Davidson" <iain at freegeek.org>

(  I wanted to officially announce some news for  LinuxFest Northwest 2008
)

I have been working diligently behind the scenes to help the presence of

            One Laptop per Child (OLPC) and XO Laptops

 at this year's upcoming

          LinuxFest Northwest 2008 -- http://LinuxFestNorthWest.org/

Carrying forward from last year's Jessie's excellent (and very well
attended) Red Hat / OLPC presentation [1] ,  momentum and awareness of  OLPC
has increased exponentially.  With the initial public release in November of
the XO Laptop to mass production.  Limited fund raising event of the Give 1
Get 1 [2] program from November to December, created over 80,000 orders in 6
weeks. Which in turn started sending 'gift' XO Laptop first round
installations into countries (and children's hands) such as *Mongolia,
Haiti, Rwanda, Ethiopia, Cambodia,* and *Afghanistan. *

Online resources for OLPC / XO Laptop is also growing quickly, with great
overviews on http://laptop.org , and 5000+ pages of information on *
http://wiki.laptop.org*  including specific pages for support related
questions via http://support.laptop.org .

Huge growing XO Laptop presence in Seattle [3] and other Pacific Northwest
areas, volunteer community based support and repair shops popping up in
several locations throughout Washington and Oregon, and the rest of the
nation.

Exciting stuff to be sure, especially in the realm of Free and Open Source
Software (FOSS),  XO Laptop focus is 100% open source [4] ! ! !

In respect to the* Linuxfest Northwest 2008 conference*, several things. . .
.

So far there has been enough presenters and volunteers stepping forward,
   that the LFNW event organizers have given a green light and background
support for...

o  A specific OLPC / XO Laptop presentation track !
o  A dedicated vendors table for OLPC information and XO Laptop
demonstration
o  A specific dedicated room for presentations, discussions, and learning
lab environment.
o  Special coordination with Robotics and Solar/alternative energy
presentation tracks with locations nearby !

Several special and very active OLPC community supporters have confirmed
attendance too. . .

* Mel Chua (mchua) - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mchua
           OLPC Jam organizer [5], Google Summer of Code receiptent for
2007, XO Laptop repair shop coordinator, Wiki editor, IRC support, etc
           (A tip-of-the-hat to Candela Technologies Inc
http://www.candelatech.com , for covering the costs to fly her in from
the *eastcoast *area)

* Seth Woodworth (isforinsects) -
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Sethwoodworth
  OLPC organizer of public documents/media, learning materials, images, and
other resources, also developer, support volunteer. Weekly Zine editor

* Iain Davidson (ixo) - (oh, that's me:) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ixo
           OLPC Grassroots, support volunteer, wiki editor, Weekly Zine
founder, IRC support, Activity developer, and volunteer XO repair shop.

BTW,   the interest by LFNW08 for OLPC/XO Laptop has also helped to create
another OLPC Health Jam [6] event as part of the Health conference in
Seattle !

  (And hope to see the results of this event, presented at LFNW too ! )

We still have many *opportunities still available* for LFNW volunteers, and
hoping to increase presence and awareness even further.

*  Presentations about OLPC / XO Laptop experiences
  * Implementation
  * Development
  * Hardware
  * Software
  * Personal experiences with developing countries and what can be done to
help.
  * Alternative methods for powering equipment (solar, wind, generator,
etc...)
*  A conference vendor to run a XS Server or centralized 'OLPC jabberd'
server for special conference networking, mesh, or sharing demonstrations.
*  Help assist with learning lab environment, and presentations
*  Offering other items for the auction, or encourage vendors to exhibit !

Please visit the LinuxFest Northwest 2008, website for further information,
or check out the starting OLPC wiki page for the latest....
  ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LinuxFest_Northwest_2008 )

Especially, please *bring OLPC / XO Laptops* to the conference, to help
demonstrate the power of mesh networking and sharing activities !
 (Many free WiFi hotspots throughout Bellingham, and (likely) during the
conference.... even several T-Mobile locations :)

I am very excited to see this come to fruition, hope to see you and many XO
Laptops there !

-Iain Davidson
(aka ixo , on OLPC support-gang, irc  #olpc-help , #olpc and email lists:
grassroots, support-gang, developer, help etc.)

p.s. Sorry, I was unable to swing a deal for a special group-purchase of XO
Laptop equipment in time for the conference.  Support your local school
system, in doing a community group "Give Many Get Many" for your local area.

NOTES:
[1] Jessie's OLPC Presentation link: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/2007.html
[2] G1G1 Program: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Give1Get1
[3] Seattle XO user group:  http://www.seaxo.com/
[4] Runs a "lite version" of Red Hat Fedora Core 7 , python is primary
programming language !
[5] OLPC Jams: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Jams
[6] Health Jam Seattle: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health_Jam
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Sun Feb 17 19:43:53 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:43:53 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] LFNW presentations and exhibits - works in progress
Message-ID: <609b18560802171943u2a6a249anc84e3f7b4ef2d1a6@mail.gmail.com>

Sam,
Can you let me know if you read this one?
seems like Mono and Moonlite people might be interested, along with SUSE
build services, and give developers more choices than just RedHat

thanks, Brandon.

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Subject: cross platform development and other ideas

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From: Dave Smead <smead at amplepower.com>

Someone mentioned that they developed software that ran on Windows and
Linux.

That would make a great end-user topic because anybody considering a
switch to Linux would feel more comfortable knowing that the same program
ran on either.  For this category of people, a side by side comparison of
programs would be excellent, i.e. here's Office and here's OpenOffice.

The topic would also be good for software developers. There have to be
some Windows programmers who'd like to know what tools and processes are
used to make cross-platform applications.

I haven't used a Windows machine since 1994, but as a developer, I'd still
be interested in what it takes to design a program that would work on
Windows as well as Linux.

The Opensource community has done a remarkable job of writing programs
that run on Linux and perform similarly or the same as Windows apps.  I
don't know how well it has done writing new apps that run on either, but
that seems to me a good way to infiltrate a Windows machine.  At some
point the Window's user has to ask why they are spending money on an
upgrade when all their apps run on Linux.

David Smead
www.amplepower.com

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From: Jakob Perry <japerry at jademicrosystems.com>

Dave:

At techtonic I plan to a presentation close to what you describe. I'll
be using both windows and OSX to show off open source applications. Carl
will then be showing them all running on linux.

I think I'll be doing another presentation at linuxfest, but I could
give presentation notes from techtonic to anyone who might want to do
such a presentation at linuxfest.

~Jakob Perry

JADE Microsystems
japerry at jademicrosystems.com
Cell: 360-739-6709
AIM: japerry007

------------------------------

From: Mark Ashworth <mark at neolectric.com>

Dave Smead wrote:

> I haven't used a Windows machine since 1994, but as a developer, I'd still
be interested in what it takes to design a program that would work on
Windows as well as Linux.

Are you referring to a desktop application with a GUI? Write it in Java
with a swing GUI. Looks and runs about the same on Windows and Linux.
You have to remember to use the defined file path separator instead of /
or \.

I read somewhere that KDE was being ported to Windows. I haven't tried
the KDE developer stuff in a few years. I would guess that GTK is
somewhat portable.

--Mark
------------------------------
From: "James Mason" <JMASON at yamatoengines.com>

I think that Gimp, Pidgin, and Inkscape demonstate that GTK is more than
'somewhat' portable.

And yes, as of KDE 4.1, KDE as a DE, and individual KDE applications will
run on Linux, Mac, or Windows.

But personally, I still favor web apps (I don't like installers).

James Mason
Safety & Environmental Director/Systems Administrator
Yamato Engine Specialists
360-733-1916 x5017

----------------------------------------
From: Mark Ashworth <mark at neolectric.com>

From: "James Mason" <JMASON at yamatoengines.com>

Subject: [Fest-list]

BoF? Are there going to be any Birds of a Feather sessions this year?  Q&A
with a panel is usually a good draw for broad topics.

James Mason
Safety & Environmental Director/Systems Administrator
Yamato Engine Specialists
360-733-1916 x5017

_____________________________________________________________________

From: Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com>

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:31:37 -0800
"James Mason" <JMASON at yamatoengines.com> wrote:

> Are there going to be any Birds of a Feather sessions this year?  Q&A
> with a panel is usually a good draw for broad topics.

I'd love to do a Fedora Birds of a Feather session

--
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?
------------------------------

From: Jed Reynolds <jed at bitratchet.com>

James Mason wrote:
> Are there going to be any Birds of a Feather sessions this year?  Q&A
> with a panel is usually a good draw for broad topics.

Like "hallway bofs" or "classroom bofs" ? An impromptu list in the cafeteria
or suggestions to the Fest list?

Jed
------------------------------
From: Mark Ashworth <mark at neolectric.com>

Jed Reynolds wrote:
> James Mason wrote:
>> Are there going to be any Birds of a Feather sessions this year?  Q&A
>> with a panel is usually a good draw for broad topics.
>
> Like "hallway bofs" or "classroom bofs" ? An impromptu list in the
> cafeteria or suggestions to the Fest list?
>

Do you folks envision BOFs happening during the presentation timeslots or
later in the day? Would you be willing to do BOFs on Sunday rather than
Saturday?

--Mark
------------------------------

From: Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fest-list] BoF?
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:35:30 -0800

Mark Ashworth <mark at neolectric.com> wrote:

> Do you folks envision BOFs happening during the presentation
> timeslots or later in the day? Would you be willing to do BOFs on
> Sunday rather than Saturday?

Later in the day is difficult with all the after sessions activities
planned.

On Sunday seems like a perfect way to fill out the presentation schedule.

--
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

_________________________________
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Sun Feb 17 20:31:52 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:31:52 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Vista rumors
Message-ID: <609b18560802172031s7fa9879cx29b3429e15cd67c6@mail.gmail.com>

just consider a rumor
- surely the UW is rolling out Vista - or finished rolling out Vista, right?
- and many Washington State government accounts, I would suspect are rolling
out Vista.

names of the innocent omitted -

<snip>

> No plans for Vista even with SP1.

I'm in the ZENworks business too. It's remarkable that no (!)
Windows Vista deployments are executed. And I mean none.
I checked with other Novell partners over here and there it's
the same. Just deploying Windows XP with ZEN imaging and
ENGL, doing MSI repackaging, training and consultancy is only
what's being asked for and is a very good busines.
But Vista: no.

When I did a ZCM/ZEN10 session for about 150 people a
couple of months ago with Ron van Herk, read his blogs
on Cool blogs if you don't who he is, we asked a couple
of questions on Vista. No one (partners, small and big
customers were in the audience) is doing anything with
Vista at the moment. No one. No plans after the release of
SP1 either. I've never seen that before.

Last week a Dutch journalist pinged me whether I know
any (!) customer deploying Windows Vista or who had
deployed Vista. He had been looking for days and even
Microsoft could not point out any (!) customer to him.

>From a software packaging perspective it's a big task to
check every single software package for Vista compliancy.
E.g. COM registration works very different on Vista. And many
applications still use COM and will use COM for a long time.
So organization aren't looking forward to that either. Last
time I worked with a 500 user company migrating from
Windows 2000 to XP, it took them a year to check their
apps and they're very skilled and good equipped.

> It will be interesting to see what happens with the June
> 30th deadline  for Windows XP

Indeed.  Over here people already started talking about
Windows 7 / Vienna and probably will wait for that since
rumors are Microsoft will speed up because of Vista and deliver it in 2009.
Some don't want to wait at all, don't
see that as an alternative at all and start looking at
alternatives. Which is good. Choose is good.

</snip>

Just so you know my bias - I bought Toshiba Laptop a year ago Feb 07. +1 gig
RAM 1.6GHz Intel processor

Vista so slow, I put openSUSE for a dual boot, and haven't used vista since
last June, just too painfully slow.
WARNING - I only spent half a day trying to remove all 3rd party programs I
thought might be slowing things down. I just didn't want to spend any more
time, nor purchase software, trying to find tune up tricks for Vista.

I just upgraded from 10.2 to 10.3 and it is even FASTER than before - I know
that MS only users will not believe an upgrade actually improves
performance, but it really did. No secret, as this was a goal and has been
written about in many trade mags.

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From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Feb 19 06:12:30 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:12:30 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: Feedback Needed On Award-Winning Software
References: <2A5AA1691961974DB645DC90898A8E4902E34E1F@ex01.PureNetworks.com>
Message-ID: <B1F76EC5-E87F-410D-B82D-6789D354BC74@comcast.net>

We don't see offers like this come up very often, so rather than block  
it I am forwarding to the group. This appears to be an updated peer  
network much like lantastic, if you are interested contact Megan  
directly.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Megan Linder" <megan at PureNetworks.com>
> Date: February 8, 2008 4:01:07 PM PST
> To: <randygrein at comcast.net>
> Cc: <serreze at foxinternet.net>
> Subject: Feedback Needed On Award-Winning Software
>
> Dear Mr. Grein,
>
> Hello, my name is Megan Linder, Marketing Manager at Pure Networks.  
> As a computer user group focused on the latest technology, we are  
> interested in having your members of Puget Sound Network Users Group  
> evaluate our product, Network Magic, and provide recommendations for  
> future features and functionality.
>
> Pure Networks was founded in 2002 and is located in Seattle. We  
> currently market an award-winning consumer product, Network Magic,  
> which allows users to easily set up, manage, and secure their small  
> network with no technical knowledge required.
>
>
>
> Visit: www.networkmagic.com for more details.
>
>
> Participating in Our Product Evaluation Program
> We are very interested in obtaining feedback from individuals who  
> use technology so we can enhance our Network Magic product offering.
>
> Here?s how it works:
> -        The following equipment is required to participate: a  
> computer, printer, router and Internet connection
> -        Participants will be provided with a 7-day free trial  
> version of Network Magic
> -        Upon completion of the 7-day trial period, participants  
> will need to complete a 20 minute survey.
> -        As a thank you, we will provide participants with a free  
> version of Network Magic Essentials or 50% off Network Magic Pro or  
> Network Magic for Mac.
>
> We hope you find this opportunity appealing to your members.  Please  
> feel free to email or call me with any questions. I will follow up  
> with you in one week to touch base about working with your group.  
> Thank you for your time and I look forward to speaking with you soon.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Megan
>
>
> Megan Linder | Marketing Manager
> Pure Networks, Inc.
> 1201 3rd Ave., Suite 900 | Seattle, WA 98101
> (t) 206-812-1807 (f) 206-322-9283
> megan at purenetworks.com | www.networkmagic.com
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Feb 19 15:46:40 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:46:40 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] [JoelOnSoftware] Why are the Microsoft Office
	file formats so complicated?
In-Reply-To: <3617136004677C901F0EADFD93EC30D8E169B03DD03FB4E6@response.whatcounts.com>
References: <3617136004677C901F0EADFD93EC30D8E169B03DD03FB4E6@response.whatcounts.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560802191546w2394ba78o2295bb2084a0eaca@mail.gmail.com>

If you thought this 379 page document for binary file formats for Microsoft
Office (97-2003) is complex,
then consider the Microsoft OOXML proposed "standard" which is 6,000 pages
long - ECMA 376

some details and objections:
http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections

If you start to get your head around this MS file format complexity, surely
you'll really appreciate OpenDocument format.
And yet another reason to use Open Office and choose OpenDocument file
format where possible.  Open Office saves/reads about 60 different file
formats - including most MS Office formats.

The below article will also give you insights as to why legacy file formats
can be such a BIG problem. And therefore WHY you should convert those older
files while you still can - or at least decide they are obsolete and not
worry about it.


On 19 Feb 2008 06:45:07 -0800, Joel On Software <
fogcreek at response.whatcounts.com> wrote:


> Last week, Microsoft published the binary file formats for Office. These
> formats appear to be almost completely insane.
>
> Read the whole story at Joel on Software:
>
>    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
>
> Quick announcement:
>
>    * FogBugz 6.1.9 is shipping, for Windows and Unix.
>    http://www.fogcreek.com/FogBugz
>
>
> --
> Joel Spolsky
> joel at joelonsoftware.com
> --
> Joel on Software is hosted by:
>
>  Fog Creek Software, Inc.
>  535 8th Ave.
>  New York NY 10018
>  (866) 364-2733
>  http://www.fogcreek.com
>



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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:03:15 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] ODF - short history
Message-ID: <609b18560802191703i33c520acr419894c9947269b8@mail.gmail.com>

summary of the battles of IBM, MS, SUN, OASIS, ISO, EU on Open Document
Format - ODF
fun read  - a little techie history just over a page long.

http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=45075

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From randygrein at comcast.net  Wed Feb 20 05:40:07 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:40:07 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] [JoelOnSoftware] Why are the Microsoft Office
	file formats so complicated?
In-Reply-To: <609b18560802191546w2394ba78o2295bb2084a0eaca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3617136004677C901F0EADFD93EC30D8E169B03DD03FB4E6@response.whatcounts.com>
	<609b18560802191546w2394ba78o2295bb2084a0eaca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <208F5CEB-BFC8-4A18-A836-974A0EA518D7@comcast.net>

Not sure I buy the excuses - the most glaring is about 'handling  
embedded objects'. You probably don't recall but about 10 years ago  
Apple, IBM and a few others had a nearly-successful spec called  
opendoc. Rather than build 'one application to rule them all' a simple  
framework held components that did specific jobs - spell check, word  
processing, spreadsheet, graphics, etc. VERY powerful and potentially  
a revolution in software where the data was king. The problem was that  
applets were so easy to write it didn't take a software house to do  
so, a single programmer could release a module that was every bit as  
good as one provided by Apple, IBM - or Microsoft. The mix&match  
nature made it easy for the user to grab what they wanted, and the  
software was cheap because it was easy to write and had real market  
competition. Naturally the big software houses stayed away in droves  
because there was little profit compared to releasing a monolithic  
program.

Point is, the specs were rather simple. If a single programmer could  
handle an applet that resulted in this kind of rich document, why is  
the Office file spec so complex?
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Feb 19, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Brandon Fouts wrote:

> If you thought this 379 page document for binary file formats for  
> Microsoft Office (97-2003) is complex,
> then consider the Microsoft OOXML proposed "standard" which is 6,000  
> pages long - ECMA 376
>
> some details and objections:
> http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections
>
> If you start to get your head around this MS file format complexity,  
> surely you'll really appreciate OpenDocument format.
> And yet another reason to use Open Office and choose OpenDocument  
> file format where possible.  Open Office saves/reads about 60  
> different file formats - including most MS Office formats.
>
> The below article will also give you insights as to why legacy file  
> formats can be such a BIG problem. And therefore WHY you should  
> convert those older files while you still can - or at least decide  
> they are obsolete and not worry about it.
>
>
> On 19 Feb 2008 06:45:07 -0800, Joel On Software <fogcreek at response.whatcounts.com 
> > wrote:
>
> Last week, Microsoft published the binary file formats for Office.  
> These formats appear to be almost completely insane.
>
> Read the whole story at Joel on Software:
>
>    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
>
> Quick announcement:
>
>    * FogBugz 6.1.9 is shipping, for Windows and Unix.
>    http://www.fogcreek.com/FogBugz
>
>
> --
> Joel Spolsky
> joel at joelonsoftware.com
> --
> Joel on Software is hosted by:
>
>  Fog Creek Software, Inc.
>  535 8th Ave.
>  New York NY 10018
>  (866) 364-2733
>  http://www.fogcreek.com
>
>
>
> -- 
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> that you can pickup at any meeting - no we don't ship.
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 13:22:55 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:22:55 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] [JoelOnSoftware] Why are the Microsoft Office
	file formats so complicated?
In-Reply-To: <208F5CEB-BFC8-4A18-A836-974A0EA518D7@comcast.net>
References: <3617136004677C901F0EADFD93EC30D8E169B03DD03FB4E6@response.whatcounts.com>
	<609b18560802191546w2394ba78o2295bb2084a0eaca@mail.gmail.com>
	<208F5CEB-BFC8-4A18-A836-974A0EA518D7@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <609b18560802201322t1691a345ha7b1ab2f68f4dd9f@mail.gmail.com>

The thing NOT to buy is proprietary formats (and especially MS legacy
formats)

Where OpenDoc failed  ODF -Open Document Format can (no doubt will?)
succeed. Why? Because it is truely an Open Standard - i.e. not developed by
vendor(s).

from PSNUG Open Source page:

ODF <http://www.odfalliance.org/> Open Document Format Alliance |
OASIS<http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office>read
the overview | wikipedia
ODF <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument> | MS
[OO]XML<http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections>really |
OOXML
Analysis <http://www.odfalliance.org/ooxml.php>


AND PLEASE, READ THIS SINGLE PAGE:

summary of the battles of IBM, MS, SUN, OASIS, ISO, EU on Open Document
Format - ODF
fun read  - a little techie history just over a page long.

http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=45075


short history of Failed OpenDoc that Randy recalls.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opendoc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System_Object_Model


On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net> wrote:

> Not sure I buy the excuses - the most glaring is about 'handling embedded
> objects'. You probably don't recall but about 10 years ago Apple, IBM and a
> few others had a nearly-successful spec called opendoc. Rather than build
> 'one application to rule them all' a simple framework held components that
> did specific jobs - spell check, word processing, spreadsheet, graphics,
> etc. VERY powerful and potentially a revolution in software where the data
> was king. The problem was that applets were so easy to write it didn't take
> a software house to do so, a single programmer could release a module that
> was every bit as good as one provided by Apple, IBM - or Microsoft. The
> mix&match nature made it easy for the user to grab what they wanted, and the
> software was cheap because it was easy to write and had real market
> competition. Naturally the big software houses stayed away in droves because
> there was little profit compared to releasing a monolithic program.
> Point is, the specs were rather simple. If a single programmer could
> handle an applet that resulted in this kind of rich document, why is the
> Office file spec so complex?
>
> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
>
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Brandon Fouts wrote:
>
> If you thought this 379 page document for binary file formats for
> Microsoft Office (97-2003) is complex,
> then consider the Microsoft OOXML proposed "standard" which is 6,000 pages
> long - ECMA 376
>
> some details and objections:
> http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections
>
> If you start to get your head around this MS file format complexity,
> surely you'll really appreciate OpenDocument format.
> And yet another reason to use Open Office and choose OpenDocument file
> format where possible.  Open Office saves/reads about 60 different file
> formats - including most MS Office formats.
>
> The below article will also give you insights as to why legacy file
> formats can be such a BIG problem. And therefore WHY you should convert
> those older files while you still can - or at least decide they are obsolete
> and not worry about it.
>
>
> On 19 Feb 2008 06:45:07 -0800, Joel On Software <
> fogcreek at response.whatcounts.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Last week, Microsoft published the binary file formats for Office. These
> > formats appear to be almost completely insane.
> >
> > Read the whole story at Joel on Software:
> >
> >    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html
> >
> > Quick announcement:
> >
> >    * FogBugz 6.1.9 is shipping, for Windows and Unix.
> >    http://www.fogcreek.com/FogBugz
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joel Spolsky
> > joel at joelonsoftware.com
> > --
> > Joel on Software is hosted by:
> >
> >  Fog Creek Software, Inc.
> >  535 8th Ave.
> >  New York NY 10018
> >  (866) 364-2733
> >  http://www.fogcreek.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> www.psnug.org
> Puget Sound Network Users Group
>
> Building Technical Skills Through Teamwork And Education.
> Helping members realize Open Standards and investigate Open Source.
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> PSNUG dues $35 per year -21st anniversary coffee mug
> that you can pickup at any meeting - no we don't ship.
> pay at monthly meeting or send checks payable to: PSNUG
>
> PSNUG
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> Bainbridge Island, WA 98110-3446
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Feb 20 17:32:35 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:32:35 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] promoting GW - why should you care?
Message-ID: <609b18560802201732r36996a8eg3bfc4d185a310bd1@mail.gmail.com>

From: "Rodney Bliss" <rbliss at msn.com>

Subject: RE: [ngw] Re: GW Market Share

I really depends on how you see your role: customer or partner.  (BTW, I'm
not on Novell's payroll and never have been.)

*Partners:* Many, many people on this list fit the classic definition of
partner. We make money from GroupWise. Some manufacture and market
complementary products, some of us are consultants that get paid to help
people install and use the product. As a migration consultant, the more
people move to GroupWise, the more jobs I get. I definitely have a stake in
how well GW does. It could be said that in the past partners have done the
bulk of GW marketing. GroupWise Advisor magazine was started not because of
what Novell was doing, but because the editor saw what a vibrant and
passionate partner community existed. Now that Novell is taking a more
active role in promoting GroupWise, the partner community needs to step up
and make sure that the marketing and evangelism efforts have the most impact
possible.

*Customers:* If GW were like laundry soap, ... No matter how much you like
Tide detergent, you have not a whit of responsibility to help promote it. If
Tide stops meeting your needs, you'll easily switch to some other brand and
probably not even notice the difference.

But email is not like soap. It's not like most consumer commodities. It gets
used BY FAR more than any other business application. GroupWise users have
tips, tricks, tweaks, etc that help them to get their job done better. The
ones I might use are different than the ones you might use. But, I have
never seen an experienced GW user who was willing to dump the client. Most
have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Microsoft Exchange world.

(Oh, yeah, I was on the payroll for Microsoft for 9 years, and their
customers DO NOT love them nearly as much as GW customers love GW.)

So, if you are one of the customers who love GW, you have a vested interest
in making sure it remains a viable product. The obituary for GroupWise has
been written at least twice that I know of. It's not inevitable that GW will
stick around. I worked for WordPerfect for 5 years and while I got out 6
months before Novell bought them, I watched a product that people LOVED
wither and die. The same CAN happen to GroupWise. There are a few hundred
people working for Novell responsible for GroupWise. There are a few
thousand partners. There are millions of users. In today's
viral-marketing/Internet environment numbers matter. One of the biggest
reasons companies are pressured to move off of GW is the misperception that
GW is dead ? no one is using it ? Novell doesn't care about it. Sure Novell
can (and should) work to change that perception. But, the people who depend
on GW everyday to get their jobs done have some responsibility too.

Here in Washington state, Ron Paul won over 20% of the vote. His entire
campaign is built around word-of-mouth marketing mostly over the Internet.
That type of viral marketing works.

Richard understands the power that the GW community holds. I think it's **we
** who don't understand it. ... if the GW community fails get excited about
promoting GW, don't be surprised when analysts, reporters or your company
executives also fail to get excited. After all, if the people using it NOW
aren't fired up about it, what makes you think people evaluating it will be?

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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:46:10 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] PSNUG meeting - file systems
Message-ID: <609b18560802211446m72ea5b46h512e853dd4d33dc9@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.psnug.org/calendar/calendar.html

you'll find suggested reading links at above URL

Sun Kernel Engineer - Alan Perry

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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Thu Feb 21 16:03:41 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:41 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] AirMagnet webinars
Message-ID: <47BDA0DD.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

Hi everyone:

I recently tried to get the folks at AirMagnet interested in making a presentation to our group.

They declined.  They did offer the following link to access their archived webinars.  I have not seen any yet but the titles are impressive.

http://www.airmagnet.com/news/webinars/archived/

Take care.

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 11:58:12 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:58:12 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Early Registration Closing Soon
In-Reply-To: <LYRIS-8049254-49665-2008.02.22-10.07.50--brando.fouts#gmail.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
References: <LYRIS-8049254-49665-2008.02.22-10.07.50--brando.fouts#gmail.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560802221158y74fee38av8a29af3972ab99bf@mail.gmail.com>

reminder - double check www.psnug.org page for additional discounts

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 12:02:12 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:02:12 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Microsoft and Thursday's open source announcement
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-DAV55F7AD128318CC3D48874D01D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-DAV55F7AD128318CC3D48874D01D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <609b18560802221202o10b84f7eyfcc1569291fd400d@mail.gmail.com>

Rodney Bliss <rbliss at msn.com> wrote:

>  Microsoft announced today that they really do want to play nice with the
> Open Source community. . . Well, mostly. An interesting read. Some of the
> linked articles talk about how skeptical the Open Source community continues
> to be of Microsoft (gee, you think?)
>
> If they follow through on what they've outlined it should be possible for
> a third party to write a replacement for Outlook to talk to Exchange as a
> rich client without having to go through POP/IMAP protocols. I know in the
> migrations that I've worked on, this would be a huge help if you could
> essentially migrate the client before migrating the servers. It also looks
> like with the opening of the Office API's later this year that there's the
> possibility of making Outlook talk to GroupWise directly without going
> through the Connector. MS did hedge their bets and say that they only
> promise not to sue non-commercial software for patent infringement. But,
> with Novell's pre-existing agreement from 2006 GroupWise might still
> qualify.
>
> Thought this group might find it interesting.
>
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9876078-7.html
>
> Rodney Bliss
>
> Purple Crayon Consulting
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 17:33:49 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:33:49 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] NSS Overview of Dynamic Storage Technology
Message-ID: <609b18560802221733v4f84a589lf9778e9d8235027@mail.gmail.com>

 preparation for file system talk at next PSNUG meeting -

1.0 Overview of Dynamic Storage Technology

Novell(R) Dynamic Storage Technology (DST) for Novell Open Enterprise Server 2
(OES 2) Linux is an information life-cycle management technology that uses a
policy-based approach for relocating data between two Novell Storage
Services? (NSS) volumes located on different devices, and transparently
provides a unified view of the file tree to users. You specify policies that
classify data to be moved by its frequency of use, filename, file type, and
file size. Policy enforcement is automated with scheduled and on-demand runs
of the policies. DST allows you to seamlessly tier storage between
high-performance and lower-performance devices. For example, you can
establish policies that keeps frequently-used mission-critical data on
high-performance devices, and moves seldom-used less-essential data to
lower-performance devices. Backup can be performed separately on the two
volumes, which allows for different backup schedules.
DST just one add-on you can use with NSS volumes

http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes2/storage.html#storage



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 17:34:20 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:34:20 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Distributed File Services (DFS) for NSS
Message-ID: <609b18560802221734k5d57b304x93642e91d08270b7@mail.gmail.com>

Novell(R) Distributed File Services (DFS) for the Novell Storage Services?
(NSS) file system provides location transparency of file data to end users.
With DFS, you can create a single virtual file system for data on NSS
volumes that spans multiple machines to maximize the use and performance of
storage resources.
*1.1.1 Data Distribution*

DFS preserves the logical file organization from the user perspective by
maintaining a Volume Location Database (VLDB) for all volumes in a DFS
management context. When you move an NSS volume to a new volume in a
different pool, the VLDB helps redirect queries to the new location.

When you split an NSS volume to relocate a directory's data to a newly
created NSS volume, DFS places a junction file in place of the directory at
the source location. The junction contains a hint about the destination
location of the data. When a user attempts to access the data, DFS uses that
information to look up the location of the destination volume in the VLDB,
then automatically redirects queries so that the session connection can be
made transparently from the user's point of view by going directly to the
data. After the connection is made, the junction itself is no longer
involved in the session.

Using junctions and the VLDB eliminates the user's need to know the path to
the physical location of the data. Not only does it decrease administration
costs by allowing you to move a volume to a different server without making
any announcements or needing to reeducate users, but it also simplifies the
number of paths a user needs to remember if the data is spread among
different volumes or servers.

For example, if John's data is located on servers X, Y, and Z, you can
create junctions on server X that point to all of his data on servers Y and
Z. That way, John only needs to remember the path to server X, because with
junctions, it appears as if the data is all located in one place.
 1.1.2 Backup

DFS provides a solution to the common problem of storage volumes growing too
big to back up within the desired or required time period. A too-large
volume can be split into two (or more) volumes, and the resulting volumes
backed up separately as required. You can split a volume at any directory to
a new NSS volume without changing the logical path to files. You and your
users can continue to use the logical paths when mapping network drives or
creating login scripts. The physical location of data can change over time,
and that change is completely transparent to the end user.
 1.1.3 Data Migration DFS can also provide a migration path for customers
moving NSS volumes from NetWare(R) 6.5 or OES NetWare to OES 2 Linux. The Move
Volume task for DFS can be used to move file data on NSS volumes from
NetWare servers to OES 2 Linux servers. This allows you to gradually move
data to an OES 2 Linux environment, without committing to a turnkey change
of operating environment.

http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes2/storage.html#storage


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Feb 22 17:35:43 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:35:43 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Comparison of NSS for Linux and Linux Traditional
	File Systems
Message-ID: <609b18560802221735p22f8323el88ca776ab122c670@mail.gmail.com>

 again, this may you get more from Wednesday talk about file systems
Comparison of NSS for Linux and Linux Traditional File Systems
http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes2/stor_nss_lx_nw/index.html?page=/documentation/oes2/stor_nss_lx_nw/data/bstyzun.html#bstyzun

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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Tue Feb 26 15:28:42 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:28:42 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] PSNUG Meeting reminder
Message-ID: <47C4302A.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

Hello all.

Just a friendly reminder that it's time for the monthly PSNUG meeting.

This Wednesday - 18:00 at the usual place - Kaleidoscope Consulting 

Just so you don't get lost - http://psnug.org/directions.html 

Alan Perry, a kernel/embedded software engineer for Sun and will be discussing the ZFS File System.

For details - http://psnug.org/calendar/calendar.html 

See you then.

Steve Singhose
Vice-President Puget Sound Network Users Group (PSNUG)
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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Wed Feb 27 10:39:49 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:39:49 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] HP ProCurve seminar in Seattle
Message-ID: <47C53DF5.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

This might be a good way to spend a morning.

Hey, it says it includes lunch :+)

http://www.hp.com/rnd/itmgrnews/road_again.htm 



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 16:13:29 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:13:29 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] PlateSpin
Message-ID: <609b18560802281613v421d3cf8vaf6579f2ecf2200c@mail.gmail.com>

Novell to Acquire Data Center Management Leader PlateSpin<snip>
Partner Support "Citrix has a great relationship with PlateSpin and is
excited to see them become part of Novell's open data center management
portfolio. With this addition, Novell will be able to offer an even richer
set of tools to manage strategic virtual infrastructure systems like Citrix
XenServer across a heterogeneous data center," said Peter Levine, senior
vice president and general manager, Virtualization & Management Division,
Citrix Systems. "In a world where applications are the language of business,
our vision is to help customers become fluent in application delivery.
Working closely with cross-platform management partners like PlateSpin and
Novell helps customers realize this vision faster by ensuring that all
Citrix Delivery Center products work well with each customer's unique
environment."

"Helping customers efficiently deal with server sprawl to achieve a
real-time infrastructure using technologies like open source and
virtualization is key to our business," said Rich Marcello, president,
Systems & Technology at Unisys. "Unisys services and solutions expertise
combined with Novell's technology is a fundamental underpinning to creating
a real-time infrastructure."
"IT managers look to maximize resources and increase flexibility, they need
tools to interoperate between Windows and Linux"  "The combination of
PlateSpin's capabilities in P2V, V2V and analytical tools, combined with
Novell and Microsoft's interoperable virtualization will allow customers to
cross the boundaries of the physical and virtual environments with
confidence." said Larry Orecklin, general manager of marketing in the Server
& Tools Division at Microsoft.

http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-to-acquire-data-center-management-leader-platespin/

Press conference Feb 25, 2008 - (archived, obviously) about 45min. audio
only
http://www.novell.com/huddle/event/index.php?event_id=1d736bb10d83a904aefc1d6ce93dc54b


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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Thu Feb 28 23:02:04 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:04 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Special presentation at March PSNUG meeting -
	requesting RSVP
Message-ID: <47C73D6B.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

Hi everyone.

The details are coming together.  Now it's time to see who will be attending.

Next months PSNUG presentation will be in two parts.  The regular meeting on March 26 we will have Brian Six from Novell making a presentation on Teaming + Conferencing.  This product has been getting quite a bit of buzz in the press and especially recently with Novell announcing the purchase of SiteScape.  http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/

Now the fun part.  Brian will be also be doing a 1/2 day HANDS ON install and admin class on Teaming + Conferencing the following Thursday morning, March 27.  Exact details on schedule will be worked out in a week or so but I need to get the word out to everyone ASAP so we know how many people to plan for.

Put out the word to your customers, associates and management etc.  This will be a great opportunity to first get a look at this product and second, those of us with aspirations of installing and admin the product to get your hands dirty.

Please RSVP me directly as soon as you can so we can finish the plans.



Steve Singhose
Vice-President Puget Sound Network Users Group (PSNUG)
http://www.psnug.org
206-419-0829




From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 12:33:52 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:33:52 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Linux Fest North West update
Message-ID: <609b18560803011233q1bacac34rd5b37f72638832e3@mail.gmail.com>

From: Mark Ashworth <mark at neolectric.com>

Here is the current roster for Linuxfest Northwest 2008.

We have one more month to fill out the space.

http://blug.org/fest2008/registered-exhibitors.html
Page heading says: exhibit-2008-3-1

http://blug.org/fest2008/registered-presenters.html
Page heading says: present-2008-3-1

If you see an earlier date tell your browser to reload the page.


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From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:28:07 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Survey of Email Support Staff Size
Message-ID: <609b18560803011328g316df34etdf51633b71bbddb7@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry if a duplicate -

http://www.ferris.com/2008/02/20/survey-of-support-staff-size-for-exchange-and-notesdomino/

As stated before, includes GroupWise (sorry I forgot who on this list got GW
added to this survey).

I hope those with larger systems experience will respond.

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 15:00:08 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:00:08 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] ODF Alliance Newsletter - March 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080303193346.E45158152A21@elabs3.com>
References: <20080303193346.E45158152A21@elabs3.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560803031500r5238b295h58ff47d664f20945@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Marino Marcich <mmarcich at odfalliance.org>
wrote:

ODF Alliance Newsletter               3 March 2008
>
> You can sign up to receive the free newsletter or download a PDF version:
> http://www.odfalliance.org/mail_list.php.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ISO RESOLUTION ON OOXML CONCLUDES

WITHOUT DISCUSSION ON OVER 80% OF COMMENTS
>
> Commending the spirit of cooperation that prevailed among the participants
> from the 32 national delegations, the ODF Alliance said in a statement that
> "despite the hard work by the many national standards bodies and ISO/IEC,
> the results fell far short of fixing the most important errors and omissions
> in OOXML.



> More than 80 percent of the comments from national bodies were not
> discussed. It has again been demonstrated that the standardization of OOXML
> in a fast-track process was entirely inappropriate."



> Noting that OOXML was proposed for standardization before it was shipped
> in a single product, the Alliance recommended that the normal ISO procedures
> be used for a specification of this scope and size.



> The 87 national standards bodies that voted in the September 2 ballot will
> now have 30 days ? until 29 March 2008 ? to examine the revisions made and
> reconsider their vote.
>
> ODF Alliance Statement -
> http://www.odfalliance.org/press/Release20080303.pdf
>
> ConsortiumInfo.org -
>
> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080229055319727
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ALLIANCE MEMBERSHIP REACHES 500!
>
> The ODF Alliance celebrated its second birthday on March 3.  In that time
> we have grown to include 517 member organizations in 57 countries.
> Congratulations on your work bringing document freedom that much closer to
> reality.


http://www.odfalliance.org/members.php#viewall
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ODF IN THE NEWS
>
> Weak ISO support for changes to Open XML throws shadow over final approval
> (Eric Lai, Computerworld)
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9065958&intsrc=hm_list
>
> Rules altered in OOXML standardization process (John Fontana, Network
> World)
> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;619140964
>
> Declaration for open standards in the internet passed (heise online)
> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/104270
>
> Of DVDs and documents (Jeremy Allison, ZDnet News)
> http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-189389.html
>
> Open Standards, Open Source, Open Access to IP, and Open Dialog (On the
> Record, Sun Microsystems)
> http://blogs.sun.com/ontherecord/entry/open_standards_open_source_open
>
> Strike One Against Microsoft (Michael Cunningham, Red Hat News)
> http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/03/strike-one-against-microsoft/
>
> Promises, Promises from Microsoft. Again.(Groklaw)
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080221184924826
>
> Why you should care about Microsoft's open-source move (Peter Judge,
> ZDNet.co.uk)
> http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/faq/0,1000001997,39336528,00.htm?r=2
>
> Microsoft pledges (yet again) that it wants to be interoperable (Mary Jo
> Foley, ZD Net)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1207
>
> Microsoft's 'Openness' Pledge A Potential Patent Trap, Gartner Warns (Paul
> McDougall, InformationWeek)
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206900525
>
>
>
> Marino Marcich
> Managing Director
> ODF Alliance
> 1090 Vermont Avenue, NW, 6th Floor
> Washington, DC 20005
> Direct Line: 202-789-4450
> Fax: 202-289-7097
> Email: mmarcich at odfalliance.org
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 20:02:45 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:02:45 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] open source business or job model
Message-ID: <609b18560803042002w183463c4t9a987a2256e15066@mail.gmail.com>

http://people.freebsd.org/%7Ephk/funding.html

You have to read this one to believe it - see yet another open source
business model - or perhaps we should call it a job model?


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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 21:31:36 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:31:36 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] OSCON 2008 - consider
Message-ID: <609b18560803042131s36675d1el7a387b86dcb03c2f@mail.gmail.com>

Free to Exhibit Hall - worth considering - make sure this part still free to
public.

Top quality show - check it out.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, O'Reilly Open Source Convention <
elists-admin at oreillynet.com> wrote:


> Don't Miss out on OSCON's Tenth Anniversary Celebration
>
> O'Reilly Open Source Convention - OSCON
> July 21-25, 2008
> Oregon Convention Center
> Portland, OR
> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon
>
> OSCON 2008  Portland  July 21-25
>
> 10th anniversary edition of OSCON, the crossroads of all things open
> source.
> Developments in Linux, Java, Web, and open source infrastructure, the 2008
> convention promises a vibrant meeting ground for the entire community to
> inspire, debate, motivate, make deals, and connect face to face.
>
> Early Registration Opens in March
>


> Stay informed about the program as it develops and receive a registration
> reminder as soon as it opens by signing up for the convention newsletter
> at (login required):
>  <http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/nl/home#conferences>



> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/nl/home#conferences
>
> Who's Going To Be There?
>


> More than 2,500 open source developers, programmers, visionaries, hackers,
> geeks, IT managers and CxOs, enterprise developers and managers,
> entrepreneurs, designers, activists, trainers and educators, and
> users--the best, the brightest, the most interesting people--will gather
> to champion the cause of open principles and open source adoption across
> the computing industry. Key players will provide insight into critical
> issues facing open source today and explore the potential for open source
> tomorrow.



>
> OSCON 2008 offers participants the opportunity to evaluate new projects,
> tools, services, platforms, languages, software, and standards sweeping
> the open source community. And, as open source becomes fully integrated
> into the corporate environment, OSCON helps to define, maintain, and
> extend the identity of what it means to be open source.
>
> Fourteen Tracks, More than 400 Sessions
>


> Forty half day tutorials will delve deeply into open source technology,
> offering hands-on experience with new technical skills, new features and
> applications, and best practices. You can take your choice of more than
> 400 sessions, organized into 14 tracks:
> -Linux
> -Perl
> -PHP
> -Python
> -Ruby
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> -Databases
> -Desktop
> -Applications
> -Web Applications
> -Mobile
> -Administration
> -Security
> -People
> -Business
> -Emerging Topics
>
> Topics and speakers are being confirmed daily and will be announced next
> month, when registration opens. Signing up for the convention newsletter
> guarantees your getting all the details, so do it now, at (login
> required):
> http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/nl/home#conferences
>
> What Else Will You Find at OSCON 2008?
>


> In addition to hundreds of tutorials and sessions, you'll have access to
> activities and events, including
> -Inspirational keynote presentations charting the evolution of open source
> and its future
> -An Expo Hall featuring dozens of the latest tools, projects, services,
> and products
> -A lively "hallway track" for participants, speakers, journalists, and
> vendors to debate and discuss important issues
> -OSCamp, an "unconference" open to all, where the program is created by
> the participants
> -Fun evening events and receptions, Birds of a Feather sessions, awards
> ceremonies, late night parties, OSCON activities all around Portland, and
> plenty of networking opportunities
>
> Once again, OSCON 2008 is conveniently co-located with Ubuntu Live at the
> Oregon Convention Center, so you can make your trip doubly productive. For
> information regarding Ubuntu Live please visit:
> www.ubuntulive.com
>
> If you have ideas for speakers and topics that will make the convention a
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>
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Wed Mar  5 21:55:28 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:55:28 -0800
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] There's one born every minute...
Message-ID: <341656B5-85A2-4BA7-98D8-8A3F4C4063D0@comcast.net>

A friend forwarded this to me. Go on, read it all the way through.  
I'll wait:
http://audience-av.com/powerchord/


OK, how many saw the snake oil? All of you? That's amazing!

Seriously, this brings up something common in the tech arenas - the  
snow job. Most people don't have sufficient background in technology  
to spot bad science like this. Most of us can at least spot snake oil  
- if we are sufficiently suspicious. As an example, how about the new  
favorite fault tolerant system - Virtual Servers? Often advertised as  
systems that 'never go down' like any other system they still retain  
single points of failure. The host systems can be clustered (and  
usually are), multi-path switching used, redundant controllers on the  
SAN, but how about the code? An error in the SAN support system can  
cause failure (I witnessed this just last week), worms and other  
malware can infect the hosted systems - or even the host OS. Yes,  
there are already warnings about keeping code up to date on your ESX  
system to prevent exploits. Even something as prosaic as disk  
corruption on the virtual (or physical) data volumes can bring  
services down.

I'm not advocating a return to simpler systems. We need to take a page  
from science and apply peer review. It's a rough, somewhat adversarial  
process where your peers try to find problems in your best work. We  
need to take another page from the Discovery channel's Mythbusters!  
gang and TEST. (Sorry, no explosions though.) Finally, let's steal an  
attitude from CSI - that's Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, not the  
silly crime show - and question assumptions. Or we can all start  
buying overpriced power cables.

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA



From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 11:34:03 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:34:03 -0500
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] even MS joins open source
Message-ID: <609b18560803141134p311d6c83qb7edbc65d9a5da16@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.infoworld.com/event/osbc/index.html
Open Source Business Conference - see above URL

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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Fri Mar 14 11:45:16 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:45:16 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] GroupWise 7.0.3 SHIP!
References: <47DABE52020000BB00084C6D@mail2.nds8.com>
	<47DA6E4F0200002F0009654A@xgate.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <47DA654C.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

>From Dean at Novell.  GW7 SP3 is officially available.

Hope everyone has a good weekend.

Steve.

>>> "Dean Lythgoe" <dlythgoe at gw.novell.com> 3/14/2008 11:23 >>>
Its official and available!

http://download.novell.com/index.jsp?tab=patches&page_num=1&date_range=7&build_type=PatchBuildBean&search_type=&search=Search 

Also check out the Security Alert - TID # 3263374   and read the GroupWise Blog on Cool Solutions!

Dean


 
Dean Lythgoe
Director, GroupWise Engineering
dlythgoe at novell.com 
801-861-1159
www.novell.com 
 


Novell
Software for the Open Enterprise




From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 13:34:26 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:34:26 -0500
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] OSCON
Message-ID: <609b18560803141334l7d1abbf2pb7f3417d0b93548e@mail.gmail.com>

I have to agree with Chuck on this one. AND even the free public admission
is worth the trip to Portland, IMHO.

check www.psnug.org for links to OSCON  (and go read limitations of free
pass vs paying for the full conference)


Chuck wrote -
___________

... OSCON 2007. No marketing crap, no garbage, just people who belonged
there sharing something meaningful.

If you've got a real love for technology and its social implications,
OSCON is something I highly recommend. In addition, I can say without
reservation that my employer (who funded my trip to OSCON) easily got
twice the value they paid for.

(I have no connection to OSCON whatsoever, I'm just a big fan of what Tim
O'Reilly has managed to cobble together.)

..Chuck..

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 ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
       --Charles Darwin


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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Fri Mar 14 21:42:17 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:42:17 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Trend Micro's Web site hacked
Message-ID: <47DAF139.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

I know we get a lot of these warnings.  Most of us on the list are already well versed in these techniques and results.

I pass along this article just because it has a link to a video which describes the infection method.  You might find it useful in your training materials.

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9894181-7.html

Take care.

Steve.




From randygrein at comcast.net  Sat Mar 15 10:05:01 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:05:01 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: Upcoming Microsoft User Research Study
References: <FD4636AAAF2A454D99F6C063E84553D234FB3D7628@NA-EXMSG-C102.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <2A3009DD-1095-4D2C-A99E-64562DBD54B8@comcast.net>

This may be of general interest. If you ARE interested please follow  
the directions for contact...

Randy Grein, PSNUG President
randygrein at comcast.net


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Brandon Springer (Kelly Services Inc)" <a-bransp at microsoft.com>
> Date: March 13, 2008 9:56:08 AM PDT
> To: Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Upcoming Microsoft User Research Study
>
>
>
> IT Pros Wanted to Participate in Microsoft Product Evaluations
>
> Microsoft?s product support development team will be in the greater  
> Puyallup-area to conduct product evaluations with local IT  
> Professionals the week of March 17th with sessions running  
> approximately two hours and scheduled at your convenience.  This  
> study will consist of one site visit where the researcher would come  
> out to your place of business for observational research and a brief  
> interview; two hours total.
>
> Each individual scheduled will be given a gift item chosen from a  
> list of Microsoft's most popular software/hardware titles.  This  
> could be a unique opportunity to get an early preview and  
> participate in the development of a new online application.
>
> If you are interested or would like more information on this study,  
> please contact us at uccoord at microsoft.com.
>
>
> Brandon Springer
> Tactical Coordinator
> User Research | Microsoft IT
> Office: (425) 722-0533
>
>

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From randygrein at comcast.net  Sat Mar 15 10:27:42 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:27:42 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Trend Micro's Web site hacked
In-Reply-To: <47DAF139.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>
References: <47DAF139.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>
Message-ID: <BAD90441-59AB-4774-AA19-61CEE0A6F115@comcast.net>

Great information Steve - it points out the hazards of assuming  
ANYONE, web site or otherwise can be trusted completely. I can't count  
the times I have heard misinformed advice to 'only go to websites that  
are trusted'. While frequenting some black hat sites increases the  
likelihood of infection it appears that pornographic sites are most  
commonly infected 'trusted' sites, even those of security experts are  
not immune. The best current advice I have heard is to be cautious and  
skeptical, use malware protection and avoid a monoculture environment.  
Oh, and keep up to date on security news. (grin)
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Steve Singhose wrote:

> I know we get a lot of these warnings.  Most of us on the list are  
> already well versed in these techniques and results.
>
> I pass along this article just because it has a link to a video  
> which describes the infection method.  You might find it useful in  
> your training materials.
>
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9894181-7.html
>
> Take care.
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> News mailing list
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Sat Mar 15 10:49:59 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:49:59 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Computing trends
Message-ID: <6CB123F9-90D0-4DE6-894F-84BF583C630E@comcast.net>

I found something rather interesting this week - the 'Windows  
Everywhere' theory of IT may be failing. Gartner Group forecasts that  
by 2011 Apple will double it's market share; currently at 8% (up from  
2% in 1997) the projected 16% is a significant portion of the market.  
My own recommendation is that IT professionals plan for a mixed  
environment - certainly for anything facing customers. The recent  
release of the iPhone SDK and announced support of Exchange (iPhone  
has 28% of smartphone sales in it's first year, this will only  
increase the penetration) is likely to fuel another Gartner prediction  
- that half of traveling workers will leave their laptops behind in  
favor of more mobile devices. Here's a link to the full article:
http://gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=593207

The reason for increased penetration is significant:

"Apple's gains in computer market share reflect as much on the  
failures of the rest of the industry as on Apple's success. Apple is  
challenging its competitors with software integration that provides  
ease of use and flexibility; continuous and more frequent innovation  
in hardware and software; and an ecosystem that focuses on  
interoperability across multiple devices (such as iPod and iMac cross- 
selling)."

I find this compelling based on a recent survey (published in  
Macworld, if anyone is interested I'll find a link) that shows user  
satisfaction with the latest version of OS X is 81%; XP is at 53% and  
Vista a miserable 17% (depending on version). Some of this may be  
Apple's famed diehard user base but the possibility is vanishingly  
small that this is the entire (or even major) cause.


Randy Grein


From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 14:19:29 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:19:29 -0600
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] LFNW
Message-ID: <609b18560803161419m517f52a0gbf01753722e2c1af@mail.gmail.com>

 Here's the latest batch as of 4:00 PM Fri 3/14/2008. If your browser
returns the old ones dated 3/6/2008 refresh them.

http://blug.org/fest2008/registered-exhibitors.html
http://blug.org/fest2008/registered-presenters.html

We have some new sponsors but we may wait to list them until Bill
receives their checks. Look for more double booths and popup backdrops
this year.


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From randygrein at comcast.net  Mon Mar 17 09:39:51 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (randygrein at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:39:51 +0000
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] FW: RFID hack could crack open 2 billion smart
	cards
Message-ID: <031720081639.25253.47DE9ED60008C30C000062A5221357533302070A9D09970B020E9D@comcast.net>

I've mentioned a certain skepticism about  RFID problems. We NEED to give security issues a critical look; shiny new tech is no guarantee of either stability or security.

Randy Grein, PSNUG President
Currently at Brainshare keynote speech.

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 09:25:54 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:25:54 -0600
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Remember to be at Linux SIG meeting Tues Mar
	18, 2008 & LinuxFest Apr 26-27, 2008
In-Reply-To: <20080318002337.23b9fa651576089ad6a92e040707bb1b.159bb128ff.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20080318002337.23b9fa651576089ad6a92e040707bb1b.159bb128ff.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <609b18560803180925i1a5ee045ha752d66aa8b88666@mail.gmail.com>

FYI -

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:23 AM, <fox7777 at carlsonco.net> wrote:

> The March 18, 2008 Linux SIG meeting is on the 3rd Tuesday of the month at
> the Lakewood Fire Station, 5000 Steilacoom Blvd SW, Lakewood, WA 98499 (by
> the water tower & on the West side of the complex) in Training Room #2.
> Doors open by 6:30 PM for setup. Super fast T-1 internet connections
> available.
>
> We will look at the new released Linux distributions including OpenSUSE
> 10.3 with One Click Software Install,
> PCLinuxOS 2007 (which is well suited to new users), Mepis Linux 7.00(which runs on Debian & Kubuntu and adds improvements), Puppy Linux
> 3.01 for old/low capacity computers, flash drives, etc, Kubuntu 8.04 &
> Fedora 8.
> We will review the Grand Unified Bootloader (GRUB) boot menu (see Howto #2
> at http://www.Linux-Now.us ),
> running your computer functions plus HDTV on one screen and the search for
> a user friendly way to remaster your own Linux CD.
>
> As always, you are encouraged to use Linux as your operating system since
> Linux is much more secure, more affordable and the best solution for home or
> office use. You can run Linux on all off-the-shelf standard hardware from
> new back to approx. Pentium I. The goal is to get you started or advanced
> with Linux. We are Linux distribution neutral and try out all sorts of Linux
> distributions. Our focus is to get all proprietary Windows and Mac users
> switched to open source Linux.
>
> Also don't forget to visit the TAPCUG Linux SIG booth at LinuxFest,
> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org April 26-27, 2008
>



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Thu Mar 20 15:50:21 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:50:21 -0600
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: Employment Opportunity
In-Reply-To: <330DF693B0A53643A21529F6FFD12A0B28BE7C6CAC@rts-exch.reliabletech.local>
References: <330DF693B0A53643A21529F6FFD12A0B28BE7C6CAC@rts-exch.reliabletech.local>
Message-ID: <609b18560803201550o21c1b0dfx87eba20b094f31fe@mail.gmail.com>

FYI -

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Stephen L. Peterson <StephenP at reliabletechnology-nw.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Subject: Employment Opportunity
To: "brando.fouts at gmail.com" <brando.fouts at gmail.com>


 Brandon,

I am in need of a Senior Technician with good people skills, windows 2003
server, MS Exchange 2003, 2007  and MS SQL for my business. I was wondering
if you could post this need on the PSNUG website or recommend someone to me.



Thanks,



*Stephen Peterson*

President - Consultant - Trainer

Reliable Technology Solutions, Inc.

2707 Colby Ave, Suite F

Everett, WA 98201

Office: 425.322.3851

Fax: 425.322.3728



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 06:19:09 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:19:09 -0500
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: LinuxFest Northwest 2008
In-Reply-To: <1206062386.47e30d32aad30@qmail.plands.com>
References: <1206062386.47e30d32aad30@qmail.plands.com>
Message-ID: <609b18560803210619g5dbef8c1if8f930a752340353@mail.gmail.com>

PSNUG members - got any technical books you want to give away ?

or mouses/keyboards you never used?

Please read below for more ideas. Perhaps your company/organization wants to
give something?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bill Wright <bill at blug.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Subject: LinuxFest Northwest 2008
To: brando.fouts at gmail.com


Hi,

I'm Bill Wright the Treasurer of LinuxFest Northwest and
in charge of our fund raising raffle.
I'm contacting you because you're participating in
LFNW this year and I'm trying to find raffle prize donors.

The raffle is not only one of our biggest fund raisers and very
popular with attendees but, it also gives those who
donate prizes another chance to get some noteworthy name
recognition, during the event and on our raffle donors page.

If you can help out with a raffle prize donation please
contact me.

Thanks for your support,

Bill Wright
bill at blug.org
www.blug.org
www.linuxfestnorthwest.org
cell 360 7398127
home 360 7347019



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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 11:11:30 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:11:30 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Novell CEO picking his battles
In-Reply-To: <47E3AA4F.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>
References: <47E3AA4F.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>
Message-ID: <609b18560803241111q2eec227dk255e701084445aee@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Steve -

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Steve Singhose <ssinghose at wccg.net> wrote:


> The message we heard this week in the press:
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/032008-novell-ceo-infrastructure-services.html
>
>
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 11:14:48 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:14:48 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] LFNW planning and new presentation - drupal
Message-ID: <609b18560803241114i419f4dc1xcd1a9edeb9ae5df4@mail.gmail.com>

http://groups.drupal.org/node/9970

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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Mon Mar 24 13:22:29 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:22:29 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: Laura's Lab Kit v9 Released - WSU Newsletter
References: <9f3a2a6c721c3bbaa7dd77a0b32f3419@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <47E7AB15.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

Laura put together a very fine lab kit this year.

You can now download your own copy.

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 18:47:07 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:47:07 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Wal-Mart $199 PC?
Message-ID: <609b18560803241847kd4f1369t5f16622e9ec999bd@mail.gmail.com>

Some details of Wal-Mart program

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9088528047.html

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 18:47:08 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:47:08 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Wal-Mart $199 PC?
Message-ID: <609b18560803241847g3ebdf844o2b027fa4b25f6de@mail.gmail.com>

Some details of Wal-Mart program

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9088528047.html

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PSNUG dues $35 per year -21st anniversary coffee mug
that you can pickup at any meeting - no we don't ship.
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Mar 25 05:43:51 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:43:51 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Meeting tomorrow night
Message-ID: <8001BBAB-A1A8-4114-B468-9556F06B6F50@comcast.net>

Let's get out for tomorrow night's meeting. Discussion of Brainshare  
and presentation of Teaming+Conferencing. This looks significant guys,  
a real competitor to Sharepoint - without the drawbacks of cost and  
complexity.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA



From randygrein at comcast.net  Tue Mar 25 05:46:12 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:46:12 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: Laura's Lab Kit v9 Released - WSU
	Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <47E7AB15.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>
References: <9f3a2a6c721c3bbaa7dd77a0b32f3419@localhost.localdomain>
	<47E7AB15.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>
Message-ID: <08121B27-9F97-400F-9247-C35DA688D2B1@comcast.net>

Yes - We'll talk more about this tomorrow night; let's just say you  
can start doing your own pen testing. A lot of easter eggs in this  
one, ask if you have trouble finding them!

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Steve Singhose wrote:
> Laura put together a very fine lab kit this year.
>
> You can now download your own copy.
>
> Steve.
>
> From: Laura Chappell <wsuinfo at wiresharkU.com>
> Date: March 24, 2008 1:09:52 PM PDT
> To: ssinghose at wccg.net
> Subject: Laura's Lab Kit v9 Released - WSU Newsletter
>
>
> [March 2008]
> Inside: Laura's Lab Kit v9 Released! - "Inside Laura's Lab" Blogs  
> Online - BrainShare Slides - Sharkfest Info - Other Hot Links -  
> NetScanTools Course in Development - Coming March 31st: Cool Tool  
> Announcement - Calendar 2008 Available
>
> Links:
> Laura's Lab Kit v9 - http://www.novell.com/connectionmagazine/laurachappell.html
> BrainShare Slides - http://www.wiresharktraining.com/WSU_Magazine.html
> Sharkfest Info - http://www.cacetech.com/SHARKFEST.08/
> Laura's Blog - http://laurachappell.blogspot.com/ (eBlogger)
> Laura's Blog - http://www.myspace.com/wiresharku (MySpace)
> 2008 Calendar - http://www.wiresharktraining.com/calendar.html
> LCML v. WSU Course Description - http://www.wiresharktraining.com/catalog.html
> Other Links (links maintained at laurachappell.blogspot.com):
> Wayback Machine - http://www.archive.org
> NetScanTools - http://www.netscantools.com
> IANA - http://www.iana.org
> Intelius - http://www.intelius.com
> Domain Tools - http://www.domaintools.com
> NetOptics (FDX taps) - http://www.netoptics.com
> Network Critical (FDX taps) - http://www.criticaltap.com
> Bleeding Threats - http://bleedtingthreats.net
> Snort - http://www.snort.org
>  - Laura's Lab Kit v9 Released March 17th
> More videos, more tools, more trace files. Remember to print the  
> Trace File Summary PDF file (in the Trace Files directory). The ISO  
> image (see link above) is 3.3 GB so be patient. I will have a new  
> ISO up in about 2 weeks with an updated Wireshark version and a  
> bigger GUI (my eyes are too old for these small fonts!).
>
>  - Sharkfest Starts March 31st
> Vince Cerf will be presenting at Sharkfest! In addition, you'll see  
> the hottest tool for network analysis graphing and reporting. Visit www.cacetech.com 
>  for registration and sessions listing. I will join several other  
> Wireshark University instructors in teaching sessions on network  
> troubleshooting and network forensics - join us March 31-April 2 for  
> three days of fast-paced training among the best analysts and  
> developers in the industry.
>
>  - NetScanTools Course in Development
> Kirk Thomas and I have been working on a course covering all  
> NetScanTools features and provide training on traceback, testing,  
> and network mapping. The course will release through Wireshark  
> University (I will send a quick announcement on date we release).  
> Let me know if you'd like an instructor-led course as well. Get a  
> demo version of NetScanTools Pro on the Laura's Lab Kit v9. Remember  
> folks - this is a 'no brainer' purchase. If you have a network - you  
> should have NetScanTools Pro!
>
>  - Calendar 2008
> My 2008 conference calendar is now online at http://www.wiresharktraining.com/calendar.html 
> . The year will include a one-day preconference course at HP's  
> TechForum - be sure to sign up early for that one.
>
>  - Blogging Away
> After numerous requests to read my blog, you can now get an inside  
> view of Laura's Lab through both eBlogger and MySpace (FaceBook to  
> come soon - all blogs contain the same basic content). In my blogs I  
> will keep you updated on research projects, cool products and the  
> insane world of presenting and travel.
>
>  - BrainShare 2008
> You can read about this on the blogs (see link above). The OpenAudio  
> recordings should be online within the next couple of weeks. I will  
> put those links over on my BlogSpot page.
>
> Hope you enjoy the new blogs and Laura's Lab Kit!
>
> Laura Chappell
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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 11:26:23 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:26:23 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] applications that use ODF - Open Document Format -
	OASIS open standard
Message-ID: <609b18560803251126p4c15e13bne6ecc5a91673402e@mail.gmail.com>

http://documentfreedom.org/Applications

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 11:51:06 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:51:06 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Open Standards - Euro Parliament
Message-ID: <609b18560803251151t19aeedb0n5e0c136d1ee80915@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.openforumeurope.org/press-room/latest-news/new-petition-calls-for-open-standards-in-the-european-parliament

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From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 19:40:19 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:40:19 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Wed & Thurs
Message-ID: <609b18560803251940x5ce4638egb8177c28604334bc@mail.gmail.com>

FYI- from the Calendar page:

_____________________
March 26 and 27, 2008 - PSNUG monthly meeting + Hands-On class

PART 1 - Brian Six from Novell presents
Teaming+Conferencing<http://www.novell.com/products/teaming/>.
Improvement over SharePoint especially after Novell announcing the purchase
of SiteScape<http://www.nytimes.com/idg/IDG_002570DE00740E18002573EF000073A1.html?ref=technology>.
Also see the open source side ICEcore <http://www.icecore.com/open.html>.

PART 2 - Brian Six -Thursday AM March 27- will also do 1/2 day HANDS ON
install and admin class on *Teaming+Conferencing*. Exact details will be
worked out in a week or so but I need to get the word out to everyone ASAP
so we know how many people to plan for.
Put out the word to your customers, associates, management etc. This will be
a great opportunity to get a look at this product and second, see HANDS-ON
installing and administration of Teaming+Conferencing.
*RSVP*   ssinghose at wccg.net   - *ASAP* so Steve Singhose can plan this
event.

A lot going on at Novell - check out the Press
Room<http://www.novell.com/news/press/room>


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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Wed Mar 26 08:10:45 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:10:45 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] AT&T Tackles Mail Complaints
Message-ID: <47EA0505.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

FYI, just in case you know someone that had some e-mail delivery problems yesterday seems that AT&T had a bit of an issue it their spam filters.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Tackles-Mail-Complaints-92986 



Steve Singhose
Vice-President Puget Sound Network Users Group (PSNUG)
http://www.psnug.org
206-419-0829




From brando.fouts at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 11:21:11 2008
From: brando.fouts at gmail.com (Brandon Fouts)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:21:11 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] [plone_seattle] *RESCHED* Next Seattle Plone
	Mtg (April 17): "Plone and Django: Comparing Tools for Python
	Web Developers"
In-Reply-To: <47292DAA-784B-4649-8F47-4FFE3D7A08B7@webcollective.coop>
References: <0DFD9072-305B-4852-AC00-D5CE3B558711@webcollective.coop>
	<47292DAA-784B-4649-8F47-4FFE3D7A08B7@webcollective.coop>
Message-ID: <609b18560803261121j632912edr7eb6bd00221e9372@mail.gmail.com>

FYI - For Your Information

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Brian Gershon <briang at webcollective.coop>
wrote:

>
> reschedule to Thursday 4/17.
>
>   -Brian & Andrew
>
> -----------
> Agenda
> -----------
>
> * Justin James and Brian Gershon of Web Collective will be talking
> about their recent experiences with Django, an exciting python-based
> web framework, and will show examples from both Django and Plone to
> give a sense of the strengths of each platform and when one might use
> one or the other.  There are also some shared concepts between these
> two platforms.  The presentation will be a high-level discussion, plus
> will also delve into some code -- so should be good for a technical
> and non-technical audience.
>
> This is also an invitation to those that know Django really well to
> participate in the conversation (since we're new to Django), and also
> Django users that want to learn more about Plone.
>
> * Lightning Talks, open Q&A (as time allows)
>
> ----------------
> Logistics
> ----------------
> Seattle Plone Gathering
> Thursday, April 17th, 2008, 6:00 P.M. to 7:45ish P.M.
>
> NPower Seattle
> 403 - 23rd Avenue South
> Seattle WA
>
> Directions at:
>  http://npowerseattle.org/about/contact/directions.htm
>
> We're looking forward to seeing everyone in April,
>
> Brian & Andrew
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From ssinghose at wccg.net  Wed Mar 26 11:37:21 2008
From: ssinghose at wccg.net (Steve Singhose)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:37:21 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] ORDB.org blacklisting all IP addresses
Message-ID: <47EA3571.0D8B.00D2.3@wccg.net>

Hi:

>From what I have read, this does not seem to be related to the problem at AT&T I reported on here earlier.  Just something else for you to check on.

http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?rss

Steve



From randygrein at comcast.net  Fri Mar 28 16:29:56 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:29:56 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Apple not as secure as we thought...
Message-ID: <3CAC1D56-AE52-47AF-B173-7AD3D8E6BD93@comcast.net>

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9072498&source=NLT_SEC&nlid=38

Disturbing news. I won't give up my Macs just yet, but Apple had  
better get on the stick.
Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA



From rmcken at mac.com  Sat Mar 29 10:40:26 2008
From: rmcken at mac.com (Ross McKenzie)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:40:26 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Apple not as secure as we thought...
In-Reply-To: <3CAC1D56-AE52-47AF-B173-7AD3D8E6BD93@comcast.net>
References: <3CAC1D56-AE52-47AF-B173-7AD3D8E6BD93@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <402B1FCB-7BEC-462C-B38A-84F7E25F1BE4@mac.com>

 From the study:

We measure and compare the performance of the vulnerability handling
and patch development process of Microsoft and Apple to better  
understand
the security ecosystem. We introduce the 0-day patch rate as a new  
metric; being
the number of patches a vendor is able to release at the day of the  
public disclosure
of a new vulnerability.

Say you have 20 cve's, and you patch 15 right away. But the last 5  
languish for 6 months. The other company has 20 also, patched 10 right  
away. But gets to the other 10 in 6 weeks. Which is "better". The  
window of vulnerability is much larger in the first case. I think the  
study focused on 'zero-day patches' because it was easy to quantify.  
Studies that I've seen that try to quantify the 'window of  
vulnerability' were all fairly weak, it's a difficult question to  
answer. An old statistical problem-  counting what you can, not what  
you need.

I can't argue with the sentiment that all the vendors need to work  
harder on security. And I won't be giving up my macs yet, nor my  
windows (except maybe vista).

ross

On Mar 28, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Randy Grein wrote:

> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9072498&source=NLT_SEC&nlid=38
>
> Disturbing news. I won't give up my Macs just yet, but Apple had
> better get on the stick.
> Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA
>
>
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From randygrein at comcast.net  Sun Mar 30 20:58:48 2008
From: randygrein at comcast.net (Randy Grein)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:58:48 -0700
Subject: [PSNUG.org News] Fwd: [security-forensics-l] Disk Recovery After
	Overwrite
References: <LYRIS-12725801-28843129-2008.03.30-22.34.57--randygrein#comcast.net@groups.ittoolbox.com>
Message-ID: <8AC61A51-9EC0-4295-B482-18C28D67BC26@comcast.net>

I found this to be interesting and compelling. Having heard the claims  
of recoverability my own analysis matches Eric's own - a combination  
of misunderstanding, marketing and uberspy posturing. Those who are  
destroying computers rather than using an overwrite tool may want to  
reconsider.

Randy Grein, Master CNE, CCNA

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Eric Nixon via security-forensics-l" <security-forensics-l at Groups.ITtoolbox.com 
> >
> Date: March 30, 2008 6:51:43 PM PDT
> To: randygrein <randygrein at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE:[security-forensics-l] Disk Recovery After Overwrite
> Reply-To: security-forensics-l at Groups.ITtoolbox.com
>
>
> Posted by Eric Nixon
> on 03/30/2008 10:33:00 PM
>
> Thanks everyone who replied here and elsewhere.
> I have concluded the data can not be recovered off the disk. The  
> best advice was the NIST Special Publication 800-88 which said ??for  
> ATA disk drives manufactured after 2001 (over 15 GB) the terms  
> clearing and purging have converged. Studies have shown that most of  
> today?s media can be effectively cleared and purged by one overwrite  
> using current available sanitization technologies.?The urban myth of  
> data recovery was also debunked at : http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html
> I think most people who said it was possible to recover data assumed  
> my user had used a file delete utility, however what was used was a  
> utility to overwrite every single sector of the disk with zeros.
> Fortunately our user (1) has found paper copies of most of the  
> documents and he has recovered a few that he emailed to others. He  
> is now keeping those files on the server where we have a good backup  
> system. The user (2) who ran the overwrite utility has been reminded  
> about double checking that all backups have been made before  
> preparing a computer for transfer. Valuable lessons have been learnt.
> Eric
> -----Original Message-----
> Use File Scavenger, I have used it and it is awesome! You can find  
> it here:http://www.quetek.com/If you are skeptical, you can download  
> the free trial version....(but only allows you to see bits of the  
> file because they want to to buy it).http://www.download.com/File-Scavenger-Data-Recover 
>  y/3000-2248_4-10028488.htmlHope this helps! Also, let me know the  
> outcome too! :)V/R,SGT Robinson __.____._
>
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